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Update of the Season

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by PTW, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. PTW

    PTW Senior Member

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    So as someone who started watching this team when Nuno and Neves came to the Championship I will try to give my personal view without entering on past discussions because clearly I don't see football as the majority of the posters here. Not saying I am right and you wrong, just different football tastes or maybe football culture.

    I know a lot of people today might be worried or even complaining about the conversion rate of the team so far, frustrated by lack of conversion by Jimenez, or because Bonatini isn't a top backup option, also adding Jota is struggling with the adjustement to the Premier League, even if I see it more as a temporary lack of confidence as could be seen on his last 2 games for the under 21's of Portugal.

    Lets look at the positives ok? Because there are a lot of positive things to say about the initial consolidation of Wolves so far. First thing is football identity, no matter the opponent Nuno isn't changing the model and the tatical shape of the team, only strategic changes according to the different level of oposition. Second thing, also very important is so far the continuous development of Ruben.

    I know its sad to say, but honestly I will be surprised if he is going to stay more 1 or 2 years playing at this level... another 1 is the added value Patricio and Moutinho brought to the team imho. Finally, I think at this stage, after 5 games having 8 points and playing good football is nothing to be ashamed of, why not having top strikers is something to be depressed I don't know.

    Unless you expected a backup who cost 4 million euros and the main striker who wasn't a starter for Benfica not for Mexico to score more goals than Kane and Lukaku. Also other factor so far is the team looks well balanced, solid, and so far only on their first 2 games they suffered 2 goals on average.

    Of course next week is Old Trafford, but looking at the current teams maybe only going to City, Liverpool, maybe Chelsea can be a real nightmare if they click. Stay positive, relatively optimistic, but at the same time humble without being arrogant.

    This is the first season back in the Premier League, and lets be honest this season the most important is to consolidate with a positive brand of football and at the same time avoiding relegation battles. If I was a Burnley, West Ham or Everton fan I would be much more worried. Honestly Nuno imo is clearly better than Silva, maybe @portugaletc doesn't agree with me.

    Sorry If I don't post here with the same frequency but I have less time to post here, so If I don't answer or reply to anyone it isn't lack of consideration for your opinions, just lack of time.

    Cheer up ffs, almost got depressed reading the reaction to the lack of firepower, just look at Burnley, Newcastle or Cardiff. Now boys, that is really depressing to watch. If everything goes right maybe next season there will be more money to invest on forward options, not only strikers. :)

    See you next time! Oh and @portugaletc Portugal Caralho!!! Don't ask him what it means. ;)
     
  2. Scott in the Sand

    Scott in the Sand Has a lot to say

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    Good post PTW.

    I can see that Wolves still have lots of scope to improve this season, unlike some other clubs.

    Jota and Costa had their best games of the season yesterday which will boost their confidence no doubt.

    The future's bright, the future's Old Gold!
    (Pantone).
     
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  3. portugaletc

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    @PTW Great post, I agree with almost all of it. But, for example, I'm 100% sure Nuno is going to sign another striker in January.
    Another thing, keeping Neves should be the number 1 priority for Wolves. That's just my opinion, but I don't think Wolves can get many talents like him in any position, let alone centre midfield. The future of Wolves needs to be Neves + 10, whatever it takes. I've said it countless times, Neves is going to be one of the handful best midfield players in the near future, there's not enough money worth losing him for.

    About Silva and NES, I think Silva is better, because he plays more attacking football and can get his teams to overperform a lot. Nuno is safety first, a bit like a less extreme Mourinho. But Nuno has the advantage of learning from his mistakes and improving himself, while Marco seems to always make the same mistakes. So maybe this will be the season that Nuno leapfrogs Silva. NES has impressed me so far, but I think his safety first approach is going to wear out the supporters eventually, even if they now say he is a "top manager". But you never know, he might stay here for a decade.

    PORTUGAL CARALHO! Can't wait for Cavaleiro to come back.
     
  4. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Please don't think the few moaning turds on here are representative of the fanbase at present - we are extremely pleased/thrilled with how things are going and feeling extremely positive.
     
  5. northnorfolkwolf

    northnorfolkwolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Is Nuno safety first? We've not seen attacking football like this at Wolves since Waggy tore down the wing, and arguably this is better? I'd describe Nuno's philosophy as everyone knowing their job, both when attacking and defending, round pegs in round holes, sticking to the plan and playing our game both at home and away.
     
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  6. Darvo

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    I can only really comment on the football Wolves have dished up under Nuno and to me it appears anything but ‘safety first’. The wonderful, fast flowing, incisive attacking passing game that we have witnessed is way ahead of what’s been on show here for the last thirty years or so.
     
  7. ShropshireLad

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    True but I still had six months taken off my life as a result of the Burnley match. :eek::cool::D
     
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    If Nuno is safety first then God help the Premier League when he takes the shackles off!
     
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    ShropshireLad Just doesn't shut up

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    But you've just commented on the hogwash which has been dished up for the last 30 years! :D

    Seriously, though, only about 4 or 5 seasons during that time have been greatly rewarding. And having said that, there are plenty of clubs which haven't even produced that yet their fans still keep going. It's a funny old game, is football.
     
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  10. Darvo

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    Could have worded it better ... ain’t watched any of Nuno’s other teams play might have been better! :D
     
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    I agree with everything you said. The "round pegs in round holes" is very well said, especially in the case of Doherty. But Coady is more of an example of a round peg that everyone thought was a square peg. The part of "everyone knowing their job" is part of his safety first approach, in my opinion.
    But you're comparing Nuno to dinosaurs, I'm comparing him to top managers. I have great respect for his work at Wolves, especially the part of "playing our game at home and away". He wasn't like that before, but it doesn't surprise me much, he's always trying to improve. But he still isn't a "top 6" manager, even though he can become one.

    I agree in part, but look at the Everton game. He doesn't take risks, except trusting some players too much, but it's arguable whether that is a risk or not. I could easily say his way of putting trust in the whole squad is a safety measure.
    Saying "it appears anything but 'safety first'" is a bit too much.
    He makes his teams play well in the build-up, but the finishing still needs working. Often times there aren't enough players in the box. That's part of the reason I like Doherty so much. He doesn't just overlap (people nowadays never shut up about overlapping fullbacks), he often runs to the center attacking area (underlapping?) to give more finishing options, a real rare quality that deserves a lot of praise.
    Basically, the passing is great, but there aren't enough players in the box.

    He is safety first, he always builds his teams from the back. But he isn't an extremist like Mourinho. I'd love to see him take the shackles off, and I think eventually he will.
    I'd say he tries to make his teams not make huge mistakes defensively above all else, and builds attacking play from that (with movement or possession depending on the opponent). Mourinho on the other hand doesn't want any mistakes defensively at all, so his teams' attack suffers sometimes.
    But he still needs to put more players in the box, often times the striker moves to the wing and there's no one in the middle.
     
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    Top post. I find myself agreeing with pretty well everything you've said here. I spent a lot of Sunday's game mumbling to myself 'not enough players in the box' !!!
     
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    Football (like a lot of other things) is about taking decisions that will give you some advantages and disadvantages. Bonatini likes to drop into midfield (great) and move to the wings (very bad), but when he becomes a reference in the box, it increases the chances of Wolves scoring even if it's by someone other than Bonatini.
    Jiménez has a similar profile, but more pacey. I'm sure Nuno will sign someone in January who is more of a reference in the middle.
    The lack of players in the box is Nuno's biggest problem, thankfully he has Doherty, but he's only enough to guarantee the bare minimum of presence in the box. The problem is that Neves doesn't want (or need) to get into the box and Moutinho is useless as a finisher, despite being awesome at everything else. Maybe when Cavaleiro comes back things will pick up again (he often played further forward than Bonatini last season), but I predict this problem will continue.
     
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    It was noticeable on Sunday that both Doherty and Jonny were making diagonal runs towards the penalty area D. I know Doc has done this sporadically in the past but this definitely seemed like a tweak to the tactics
     
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    I really enjoyed sundays game, and as almost everyone else says it should have been 3 or 4 nil, however the time to worry is when we are not creating chances, I love Nunos style, but his way doesnt see midfielders moving beyond the forwards, but hey im happy enough seeing what we are seeing, NO not happy im over the moon.. best team since Big Frank, King John, Doug, Waggy, and that was a bl**dy good team.
     
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    "Doc"? It's Irish Cafu!
     
  17. northnorfolkwolf

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    I think we all know that we need a striker in the box (January?) but at the end of the day the football we are seeing so far is incredible, esp when you think just 16 months ago we had finished 15th in the second tier.
     
  18. PTW

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    Quite a long while without coming here. After watching the highlights is it fair to say this was one of the best performances of the season so far, or do I need to watch the entire match to confirm that? Anyway in Nuno we trust. :)
     
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    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    We were superb
     
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    Only to confirm that while I think this team is good enough to stay on the Premier League it was OTT imo to start talking about top 6. Reading a few posts (not many), I think there is a misperception about the real potential of this team. Yes they are more than good enough to fight for the top 10 or 12 maybe, but is it really honest to say they have the duty to fight for top 6?

    We just need to look at squads like Everton or Leicester to know they have better tools to be the best of the rest (this keeping in mind United will finish 6th).

    Another different thing is saying this team really struggles when they face teams of the same level. I have to agree with @portugaletc, Nuno does have a trend where we can see since his Rio Ave days, followed by Valencia or Porto where his teams offensive organization look a bit basic for my football taste.

    With no more investments on January I would say finshing on 10th place would be fantastic, and still would like to know if it was Nuno who wanted to sign Adama Traoré or Dendocker. Don't know if the Nakajima rumours are true tbh.

    Nevertheless the good news recently was the confirmation of the potential of MGW as someone who really has to play, if Nuno doesn't start him I will come here when I can and join the Nuno Out Brigade. :D

    Cheer up, and step by step the club will improve, the gap between the Championship and the Premier League is huge, just look at the money Fulham invested and where they are.
     
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  21. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Good post PTW.

    I'm afraid we are a group of fans who are always at either end of the happiness/unhappiness spectrum.

    I'm sure that's true of most fans to be fair.
     
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    We are only four points off Sixth.........:p
     
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    I think it was "anything but safety first" Either way, what a ride so far this season.
     
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    We really aren't that far away from being a genuine top eight side challenging top 6.
     
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    It’s a rollercoaster just enjoy it, we can be a very good team or we can be downright ****, but we have enough about us to finish 10th. Then we get to see Fosuns real intentions, if they want top 6 we will need 3 or 4 £25m plus signings
     
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    We have a great first XI and tactical setup. What stops us really pushing on currently is lack of strength in depth and inability to adapt tactics fluidly during the game.

    We’ll get there, but feel currently this is what is keeping us a 10-15th team (hopefully no lower).

    Good times to be a Wolves fan though.
     

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