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Tonights Ref

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by wolvesjack, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. JW

    JW Just doesn't shut up

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    4 mins added time a complete farce

    4 goals

    6 subs

    A head injury

    Other injuries

    Time wasting Bristol sub

    Complete farce and no wonder some want the rules changing because refs are so weak !!!!
     
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  2. Muscat2Footer

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    I didn't realise that if we miss some chances the ref gets a free pass to do his job appallingly.
     
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    He was not even close to what we endured against Bournemouth and Cardiff. Bristol wouldn't have been fussed had the penalty not been given so that tells you everything. Not entirely sure Danny's was a penalty as I love a competitive game and Baker was immense for them.
     
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    Bad Miss my ****. saw it at the game, Now just seen highlights.
     
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  5. Akaman

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    I think the challenge on Batth was eerily similar to how Batth himself goes in for challenges sometimes when he can't realistically win the ball and goes through a player to get it, giving away a foul in the process
     
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  6. Norway Wolves

    Norway Wolves Well-Known Member

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    That was a foul throw.
     
  7. 1965Wolf

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    The penalty incident was right in front of me and it did not even occur to me there was a handball. What annoys me most is that it was on the tef's blind side and the assistant who had a much better view clearly did not think it was handball because he never raised his flag.
     
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    Totally agree that we could have defended two of the goals much better, and that we should have put more of our chances away. No question about that.

    However, in response to 1965 Wolf, I sit somewhere similar and the penalty last night was very harsh. Bordering on corrupt. The linesman didn't flag and he had a far better view than the referee did. It was as though he heard the ball hit the arm, appeared to directly look at the Brizzle player closest who appealed then blow for the spot kick.

    He seemed to almost consult with the opposition to give it.

    I have no problem with a physical game, the sport is a contact sport.

    But some of the antics last night bordered on dangerous when you've players deliberately barging through players from behind.

    Two examples were the one on Batth not sure who from and the one from ODowd on
    Jota.

    It's how head injuries happen and refs in my view should give players in those circumstances more protection and that applies to both teams.

    I could go on but hey ho we move on to Forest away, here's hoping to a positive result for the boys in gold n black.
    COYW!
     
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  9. Snarlingwolf

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    If he deemed that a foul throw, which it was, why didn't he give all the other foul throws? Particularly one by a Bristol player, in line with our 18 yard line, a few minutes earlier that was thrown in like a basketball pass!!! He was just totally inconsistent.
    It strikes me that most of these so-called referees have obviously never played the game themselves.
     
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  10. WolfOfWellington

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    This is a quote from the Bristol forum.
    "Was it me or did the referee give us everything last night? Usually it is always against us and felt really good (if not really lucky) to get all the decisions! Hope it continues."

    Says it all.
    Can't blame him for our problems defending and finishing though. Point gained I suppose
     
  12. Norman Bell

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    Interesting you mention the Bristol forum Yeltzwolf with the " did the referee give us everything tonight " quote. I was listening to BBC Radio Bristol and their commentators were very fair. Gary O'Neill was one who is a current Bristol player, he was amazed by the award of the penalty and felt several other decisions were to say the least fortunate to be given in City's favour.
     
  13. DDPP313

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    I think you're clutching at straws lads - this ref was nowhere near as bad as the Cardiff ref.

    We were unlucky to have a penalty given against us and there were several dubious decisions throughout the game but inevitably we lost the game through poor defending and chances missed. With the outrage against Danny being clattered for our appeal I presumed it was stone wall - but after watching the clip on twitter it's never a penalty.

    We simply have to be better and be able to control the game better when they put us under pressure. Every game we have either drawn or lost so far this season has seen outrage at the officials, some of it deservedly so - but the referees won't dictate if we get out of this league, our ability to control a game, defend well when needed and putting teams to the sword will.

    One more thing - our defence and to a certain degree our CM have to know when the flow of the game and the increased pressure requires a good solid challenge. When the opposition have held the ball for 4-5 minutes and it all of a sudden drops for a 50/50 sometimes the best thing you can do is rip straight through your opposition. It lift's the whole team.
     
  14. bod101

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    sorry the guy was appalling, i can take a ref who is **** but consistent in his ****ness to both teams. this guy was a one way street. his body language when he gave bristol the penalty was one of excitement and joy.
     
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    I was right in front of it too. One Bristol player appealed, the linesman actually signalled for a corner, barely anything from their crowd and he gave the penalty.

    There is no possible way he could've seen a handball. He can only have seen a movement of the arm, But 2 minutes later Batth is clattered in their penalty box and nothing.

    I actually thought he had a decent first half. But completely lost the plot second half.
     
  16. DasWolf

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    Danny wasn't clattered, the ref got that spot on. No elbows, or excessive force. The Bristol player got a clean header and Danny went for a fair ball and was late. Everyone was baying for a penalty in retaliation for the one given against us. It's not like Danny was taken out by an elbow.

    The penalty was soft and looked ball to hand from very close range, but it's naive to give refs an excuse.
     
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    Absolute rubbish

    If ref had done his job properly we would have had 2 penalties and won 5-3 and the missed chances are totally irrelevant !!!
     
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    OMG - you are so wrong I was very close to it and in line - Baath was winning the header the defender then clattered into him late

    What about the clear trip on Bright in the area later on ?
     
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    Didn't see the Bright incident clearly from where I was, so I've no idea.

    The footage shows the City player making a good header. Some people are saying he led with his arm, but look at the footage frame by frame. The guy heads it away, and his arm at the point he makes contact is in front of him on the other side of Danny. How can the defender clatter into him late when their defender got to the ball to head it before Danny did? Contact is only made after their player headed it.
     
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    Its absolute rubbish to rely on the refs to make correct decisions, we can't control how **** the ref is or isn't but we can control everything else.
     
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    Was the referee really that bad? Some poor decisions yes, but they cannot and will not get every decision right. Lets not spend the whole season complaining about the referee, it is a bad reputation to get. Yes we had a bad one, lets move along to the next one and get on with it. It is now almost as if we are waiting for blatant fouls to just spark a reaction/moan. The players picked up on it last night too and we lost focus for periods of the game. I dont want us to be that side that believes we can do no wrong in tackling, and no opponent dare breathes near ours. It was a little Arsenal/Wenger esque and we became our own worst enemies imo. I didnt like it. We are Wolves, we are men, lets not start acting like a bunch of divas.
     
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    The foul throws annoy me. It's not hard to be consistent . It's just ********
     
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    I don't think ours was a penalty but Baath certainly wasn't clattered, Bailey won the ball fair and square imo
     
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    The ref was poor but don't these things even themselves out over a season? The bloke will be referreeing another game soon and if it's in a championship game there's a good chance he will be just as bad for another team. I moaned about the ref for the Cardiff game but looking back what's the point? it won't change the outcome and the more people moan the more likely opposition sides will be sent out to do exactly what Cardiff And bristol City done.

    What it appears to me is that as soon as Wolves face a side that likes to mix it up a bit they struggle. Scoring 3 goals at home is great but to likewise concede 3 is very poor. The team needs to learn from this sort of stuff soon because if not I really don't see things changing.
     
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    Im really getting fed up of this now , how the hell hes at the level hes at is beyond me , an utter fraud / cheat.

    4mins added time , really ?
     
  26. MattyWWFC

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    At the end of the day Referees shouldn't be distracted by fans/managers/coaches views. The fair way to do it is to ref the game infront of you and ignore any opinions.. They're professionals and should be able to handle a bit of stick.
    Saying that I thought it may have been a penalty and I'm not sure if the challenge on Batth should've been a pen. It was all the smaller decisions that got me. I saw atleast 3 foul throws from bristol players from the other side of the stadium. It was naive from Vinagre but there is no consistency. So much shirt pulling and being all over our players. Is it any wonder that they 'dive', it's the only way they can possibly get a foul. Wasn't as bad as the Cardiff ref, but still woeful. Feel like ever ref has an outlook on us this season and subconsciously hate us, so even if they don't mean to, decisions are given against us for the pure fact we've got foreign players and a bit of money. Things won't even out this season, I don't think we've had a ref in 7 games that has actually done their job properly, particularly at home.
     
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    I agree with you regarding the Batth incident having since seen a replay of it. Batth was simply too slow and struggled to get himself off the ground to win the header. Their player was just more committed to the aerial challenge and timed his jump better.
     
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    4 minutes was a joke, if the previous 90 minutes didn't give any clues then that was proof enough he didn't want us to win.
     
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    I said before the season started that all the negative national press we were receiving could influence referee's against us, I think we are seeing a bit of that now.

    We need to start taking our chances so that the poor refereeing doesn't impact on the result
     
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    I think the criticism of the ref is hugely over the top. It wasn't a pen on Batth (even though I screamed for it anyway) and the ball clearly hit Vinagres outstretched hand.
    He had a poor night but he missed 2 fouls on Bristol players in the second half that allowed us to break and also gave us a goal kick when it was a corner.
    I'm more concerned at our defending of set plays and Miranda playing on the right side to be honest.
     
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    Rubbish - watch the replay.
     
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    Frustrating isn't it. you would back Batth to get to that ball first every time and had he done so, he would have been clattered and we would have been awarded a penalty. You have to say the defender did very well.
     
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    Yes, I think the Batth incidnt wasn't a penalty. As for Vinagre, the refs assistant had a clear view and didn't give it... the ref was on the blind side and gave it. Sometimes they are given, but I thought it was ball to hand... as did the Brizzole players.
     
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    Did I read correctly earlier in this thread that this joker is a Smallsall fan? Sweet Jesus!
     
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    The league is too tight to be against the referee all of the time. We must have fairness
     
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    Judge: "You launched a vicious uppercut on that opposing player, who is now clinging to life in an induced coma. What do you have to say for yourself?'

    Accused: " We missed lots of chances, your honour"

    Judge: "I see. You are exonerated"
     
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    "They missed lots of chances", surely!
     
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    I have.
     
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    Some Wolves fans are so concerned about looking knowledgable they take impartiality to ridiculous levels, bordering on wanting to deny things to seem they must be right as they could only be right. Like emperors new clothes of refereeing decisions!
    It's the same people every time, it's tedious
     

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