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The Homegrown Player Myths

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by HKWolf, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Good thread, shows how some even people in the game can get it wrong & struggle with the rules. Well played @HKWolf @WolfLing.

    I’m sure Turner posted what he did in good faith & it keeps the board ticking over at least.
     
  2. E is for idiot.

    E is for idiot. Has a lot to say

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    Because you have been caught out lying? As the rule says it is until the end of the season the player turns 21, which is something all of us missed. So yet again, you make spurious claims with no evidence to back it up and you have been caught out in your lie. So I take nothing back unless you can back up your claims. Until then as the other side of the discussion has backed up their claim with proof, my accusation is completely warranted. If you're going to keep lying then oddly enough people are going to call you a liar, if you don't like it then stop lying. It's pretty simple really.
     
  3. maws

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    Do they need to build up a case? Doherty either misses the date or doesn't, no need to build up a case.
     
  4. Jim Bowen

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    It's shameful because these people in high places are either taking the mickey out of you or you are making up the conversations. You make it sound like the FBI going after the mafia, building up a case for months. As maws says Doherty is either an homegrown player or he isn't, they are the football leagues rules, it is pretty much black and white, they know the date he was registered with us and his date of birth so we are either breaking the rules or we aren't, so what exactly are they building against us?

    You are even suggesting Wolves know they are breaking the rules so instead of erring on the side of caution and putting an extra homegrown player on the bench and minimising any potential punishment, they are continuing to break them month after month which would maximise the punishment.

    Why don't you just put an end to this nonsense and enjoy the season? After the biggest buzz we've had for years against Bristol City you were straight on here to tell the forum your made up story about the referees learning Portuguese because they aren't happy with Nuno's antics. I don't know what you are getting from all this but you do seem to take great pleasure in making up stories about potential points deductions or fines during one of our best season's in a generation.
     
  5. HKWolf

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    Unfortunately for the club that your contact works for, he either a) can’t read b) can’t count c) is thick as **** or d) is lying.

    It’s probably not surprising really that his club is below ours as he’s clearly incompetent. Here are the facts if you don’t believe Wolfling:

    Matt Doherty signed for Wolves on the 19/08/2010.

    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11699/6323213/doherty-heads-to-wolves

    Matt Doherty was born on the 16/01/1992.

    The 2010 Summer Transfer window closed on the 01/09/2010.

    Matt Doherty turned 21 during the 2012/2013 season.

    The rules state:

    33.9.2 a Club and/or any other football club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales, for a period, continuous or not of three Seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21). For the purposes of this definition of Home Grown Player only, a Season will be deemed to commence on the date on which the first Transfer Window in that Season closes and expire on the date of the final League Match of the Season.

    He was therefore signed before the 2010/11 season started according to the EFL’s definition of a season. He therefore had the full 2010/11, 2011/12 and the 2012/13 seasons under contract at Wolverhampton Wanderers as the 2012/13 season counts as that is the year in which he turned 21. He did have 2 loans; 1 to Hibs and 1 to Bury during this period, but that is irrelevant as he was still contracted to us and it states a not continuous period.

    Therefore, Matt Doherty is a homegrown player and you should tell your contact that I’m willing to explain the rules to him if necessary. I will require a modest donation to the Wolverhampton Wanderers upcoming FFP fine fund though, as I’m sure he will tell you we are soon to breach that too.
     
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  6. wolvesaywe

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    Whoa there...rather than going with a considered cross referencing of the rules versus Doherty's important dates, and an email from the club confirming exactly this, shouldn't we be giving turner845 the benefit of the doubt here?

    When was a pseudonym on the internet quoting friends in high places ever wrong?
     
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  7. turner845

    turner845 Senior Member

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    I really can't be bothered to comment any more on this thread, apart from saying that I fully trust my source.
     
  8. The Runner

    The Runner Groupie

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    Unfortunately, it appears that your source has been winding you up.

    You say ‘Other clubs have seen our teamsheets and made enquires about it regarding the number of homegrown players.’

    Because I’m old and sad and have a lot of time on my hands, I’ve gone back over all of our squads for the 27 league games we’ve played so far. And guess what? The only game where it matters whether Doherty is home grown or not is Millwall. In every other game, our match day squad as had at least 7 home grown players excluding the Doc (as many as 10 early season).

    So your contact says that other clubs have raised issues regarding home grown players. Well that’s obviously *******s isn’t it, because there plainly aren’t any issues. And if that’s *******s, then I would surmise that the rest of what you were told is as well.

    Think you need to screen your sources better in the future.
     
  9. Guzeppi

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    Thanks to WolfLing and HKWolf, I now know for sure that the Doc, like the fungus between my toes, is home grown.
     
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  10. Guzeppi

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    No, no, you're being unkind there.
    It's not his fault that his source isn't 100% correct. Sources can be tricky things.
    The other day a source told me that Gal Gadot is pining for a late middle aged darkish skinned Mediterranean fellow of very average height, average looks and preferably not rich, as she wants to feel normal.

    I'm still bloody waiting at my front door dammit.
     
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  11. Jim Bowen

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    Excellent work.

    This is the problem with liars, they might think it's a good idea to make up a little story but they rarely check the details to make sure they can't be caught out and as you've proved this particular lie falls apart at the details.

    I've posted for many years on Wolves forums but I've never come across anything like this before, look back through his other posts, lies about fans, the manager/coaches and players - football wise it's disgusting behaviour. About your own club too? I can't get my head around that.
     
  12. maws

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    Unless it's not their own club!!
     
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  13. Jim Bowen

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    I think you are probably right.
     
  14. CodsallWolf

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    Happy Birthday Matt.
     
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    An attempt to build virtual credibility which is severely lacking in real life? That's my guess

    but certainly one for the billy bull******* list
     
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    Bang on.
     
  17. northnorfolkwolf

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    Just said on tv that only 1 of Leicester's starting x1 is British - Demari Gray????? Not sure what this says or means but sad perhaps and an indication of the way the game is today and perhaps why England are so crap?
     
  18. ShropshireLad

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    We played a load of girls when we played against Notlob. :oops:
     
  19. Adrian_Monk

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    @turner845 ..... you just got owned :D
     
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