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Tackling will end up being banned?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Newportwolf, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:52 PM.

  1. Newportwolf

    Newportwolf Well-Known Member

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    I fear the art of tackling will eventually be banned. Why?...because that's what the big clubs want. On Sky sports Klopp has been banging on about how Burnley had the audacity to tackle his players, highlighting the tackle by Ben Mee on Gomez...which was a great tackle, we saw it last night where Benno was pulled up for a great tackle.....which resulted in a drop ball? Wtf??? Eventually it's going to happen and when it does the games dead.
    On the subject of the media darling Klopp, am I the only one who can't stand the bloke? I just don't get the love in with him. He's ok when it's all going well for him but his true colours come out when it's not. He's right behind Mourinho in that respect
     
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  2. Edgmond Wolf

    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    I love a proper tackle, Bennetts tackle was superb last night, stopped a certain goal and turned the game

    Long may tackling be an important part of the game

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  3. ShifnalWolf

    ShifnalWolf Graphmaster General

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    Gomez ended up with a fractured leg (Joe Gomez injury latest) so was it really a great tackle?
    The Benno tackle was a fair tackle - which the ref changed his mind about which was good to see - hence the ball being kicked back to Rui - it wasn't a contested drop ball.
     
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  4. HowfenWolf

    HowfenWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    TBF - I don't think the referee knew what he'd given or why
     
  5. Newportwolf

    Newportwolf Well-Known Member

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    Gomez broke his leg because he slid into the boards, it was nothing to do with the tackle.....so yes it was a great tackle!
     
  6. JadeWolf

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    I’d rather Jon Moss got banned.
     
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    Banning tackling = death of the game . Cant beat a good 50-50 challenge - its a fundamental and necessary aspect of the game . Wonder what Klopp would have said if it was the other way round and a Liverpool player had made the challenge .
    A lot of football managers and players dish it out but cant take it - all when it suits . Klopp has made himself look a bit of a **** with this - man up and move on .
     
  8. WednesburyWolf

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    Vinagres tackle last night was the second best of the night. The ref gave a foul and booked him.

    Total joke.
     
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    HowfenWolf Just doesn't shut up

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    What a stupid place to put some boards
     
  10. Rhoswolf

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    Truly dreadful performance by the ref last night, guess whether tackling will end up banned can be quite subjective, what is quite objective however, based on last night, is that taking the free kick from the point of the offence is definitely no longer applicable.
     
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    After a goal the best thing to get the crowd going is a full bloodied tackle , as Bennett's last night. Nothing to beat it! Thump!!!!!!!!
     
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    I can't believe klopp had the cheek to say to the ref
    "I know its not a foul but you need to tell them you cant do that!"
    Wtf he sounds more like Wenger everday.
     
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  13. Jonzy54

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    Yes the Mee tackle on Gomez was a great tackle .It would appear Gomez sustained his injury in how he went over.It was not dangerous or a foul in a million years.
     
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    Whinging Klopp should remember which club he manages, he might then remember the likes of Jimmy Case, Tommy Smith, Gerrard, Suarez the biter and not forgetting the lovely Mr Souness, angels, the lot of em
     
  15. Focke Wolf

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    I know where you're coming from with this thread. Its basically down to cheating/poor gamesmanship in my opinion. How often do we listen to and watch football presenters/pundits discussing whether a player has been made contact with by a tackler as an excuse for a player falling down. They can literally go over slow motion footage for minutes to just about say a player was slightly contacted and because of that condone a flamboyant dive by the cheater. This all changes the mindset of the tackling player. Watching Chelsea last night just reinforced that view. (Moutinho pinched the ball of Willian last night in the second half. and Willian turned to the ref moaning and protesting that he'd been tackled?) In short players dive and cheat and its probably condoned by managers - anything to help the team. Referees don't help either. They essentially insinuate that a player has dived and wave play on, but do nothing about the simulation.
    The one which is doing my nut in at the minute, is the tackler who goes in for a legitimate challenge, gets the ball cleanly, and who is then pulled up by the ref for contacting the tackled player after he has won the ball? That to would probably affect the mindset of a tackler.
    Teams like Chelsea buy expensive skillful players and want them to have a free reign on the pitch. We had absolutely no respect for that yesterday, and played with a bigger passion for the game, and showed more heart. For me watching Wolves last night was a great occasion. The turnover was in the air and you could tell the fans sensed it.
    But i think if there's any more lean towards protection of the cheats and the thought that because a player is slightly contacted he has the right to dive, then its going to be hard for hard working physical teams to assert themselves in a football match because they're likely to be penalized out of it.
     
  16. WonderWolf

    WonderWolf WoWoWoobsykins

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    If the pampered Fancy Dans are ever allowed to just **** on you while you just stand there like a statue, it's game over.

    Goodbye.
     
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    The prem seems to be out there on it's own for not allowing good hard challenges.
    The championship is hard but fair (mostly).
    Even the World Cup and some European games, they seem to let more go, or is that just my perception?
    The prem is certainly the top of the charts for moaning, whinging managers, I don't think other leagues compete with it on that score.
     
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    The big clubs don’t want tackling banned, they just want to protect their most expensive assets against over-aggressive tackling.

    Similar to how we did last season. How many times did players go in a bit too hard on Jota and Costa. When you’re better than most teams in the league at playing football, one of the only things they can do is be more aggressive.

    Part of the game, always will be, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
     
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    How over-aggressive were we with that nonsense from Chelsea??

    Taking the **** is not wanting protection.
     
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    Glad im not the only one who cant stand klopp
     
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    Surely it's got bugger all to do with Klopp and the Premier League. FIFA is the "custodian" - a term I use loosely, of the world game and they dictate what is allowed and what is not.
    Football is definitely becoming less physical which is a shame imo. A good, hard, fair tackle should be as much part of the game as a pass, shot or save.
     
  22. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    Its not even tackling though. the slightest brush/contact and Chelsea were going down on Wednesday. Fabregas was in the refs ear all game influencing him. Fortunately the ref didn't blow when Moutinho out-muscled Willian to set up our second.
     
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    Klopp is football. What he says goes. At least that's what he believes in his deluded brain where he is God.
     
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    I can't stand Klopp.
    I hate the media obsession with him, if Klopp says something then they all seem to suck his dick over it.
    There isn't much better than a good thundering tackle. There was nothing wrong with the tackle from the Burnley player, the only problem from that game was the blatant dives from Liverpool players, no mention of that by the media though.
    Sooner Klopp is out of English football the better. Can't stand the bloke.
     
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    I think going to ground in a tackle is high risk in the modern game because forwards are clever and refs give easy yellows based on play acting, crowd reaction and poor timing.
     
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    Yep, that's what happens.

    Should they ban tackling in rugby and just play tag rugby?
    Should skiing be banned?
    How about boxing?
    The list could go on...
     
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    FIFA might be custodians but the real issue is different countries interpret the laws in different ways.That Moutinho ‘challenge’ would probably be penalised abroad because they generally don’t permit physical challenges .We often see players make hard but fair challenges in this Country but the minute you raise your foot,even a modicum off the ground abroad you will penalised.Forwards can jump with the Keeper and make a fair challenge in this Country but once again if you sneeze near a Keeper abroad you will be pulled up.
    I watched Michael Oliver referee a Champions League game the other week and he pulled up all 3 ‘offenders’ for such such ‘offences’whereas in this Country he would have merely waved play on.
    The Laws of the game are universal but the interpretations are not.Gone are the days of our game being insular with minimal foreign input.Our game is global and the foreign players don’t see it the same way as British players and vice versa.
     
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    What was happening to Jota and Costa wasn't over-aggressive tackling. It was deliberate, dirty, hard fouls, which too often resulted only in a yellow card or just a free kick. As we all know by now, you can get sent off even if you win the ball in this league with the requisite level of outrage and a sufficiently impressionable referee.
     
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    I'm with you about Klopp, he is starting to get on my nerves a bit!!
     
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    I notice more now when a player/winger actually steps or jumps over a leg to play on with the ball, this used to be the norm and a skill or trick.
    Now the ‘skill’ is to present a body part or drag a leg to invite ‘contact’.
    Looking at some of today’s players it is obvious the art of diving is practiced over and over in training.
    Call me old fashioned but I would be embarrassed to throw myself in the air and scream in such pain that I need the air ambulance and then to limp around for a few seconds until the cameras have moved onto something else.

    It’s the same with the headsets that the physios wear when they’re on the pitch and relay back to the bench “no damage, he’s just going to sit here a minute while I check his socks and waste a bit of time, I might even get his eyes to follow my index finger for a bit of procedure”
     
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    I hear Kevin Muscat is starting a petition to ensure full bodied tackles remain..!
     
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    And you’ve just nailed on the head why the Premiership is deemed to be the best league in the World. It’s not because it has the most technically gifted players, although it would be close, it’s because your allowed to tackle, allowed to be physical (or at least that was how it used to be). It was/is the only top league in the World where any team can beat anyone else, purely because you can/were allowed to stop the opposition from playing. If it isn’t careful, it will stop having World Wide appeal and become just another European League where the top teams outplay everyone else and your not allowed to compete against them.
     
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    Going against the grain on here but I like Klopp. Like everyone else he isn’t perfect but he does hold up his hands when he gets it wrong.

    I am with the OP all the way on the tackling issue.
     
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    A few years back my nephew played for AFC Telford when we had a pre-season friendly with them, there was this crunching 50-50 challenge between our Tom and Colin Cameron, luckily neither were hurt but it was a full-bodied challenge :)
     
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    I think the biggest problem with most referees nowadays, IMO, is that it seems obvious that most of them have never actually played the game themselves. I think they must go on courses, learn from a book, and then are fast tracked into league football if they show any “promise” at all. I would doubt some have ever even been on man management training courses.
    I counted at least 3 or 4 times where a Wolves player came in to tackle a Chelsea player, the Wolves player clearly got the ball first and even came away with it for a few yards, only for the Chelsea player to pretend to get injured/ fall down holding their leg or whatever, other Chelsea players to throw up their arms, and appeal to the ref. The ref then blowing up, awarding them a FK, and even in the one case unbelievably booking young Ruben Vinagre for a fantastic tackle!
    Absolutely atrocious “refereeing”, totally contrary to the rules of the game.
    I honestly seriously wondered if the laws had been changed recently to say that it’s illegal to tackle any Chelsea/ top 6 side player?
    The other thing that really ****ed me off was that in the first half young Morgan GW was breaking from midfield to set up a counter attack and was pulled back by Kante. What does the ref do? Oh it’s a Chelsea player, I’ll just have a word with him and tell him not to be a naughty boy.
    Then, what happens when a Wolves player does the same sort of thing to a Chelsea player later on the game? Yellow carded straight away.
    The ref was so blatantly bias towards Chelsea, IMO, it made me think of when we were last in the Premier League and how corrupt I can remember it felt with the very peculiar decision making by some officials in our games against the top teams...............
    And to top it all, he didn’t look fit or able to keep up with play a lot of the time.
    I wonder how much the officials get paid for their “jobs”?
    There, rant over.:mad:
     
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    Nobody wants to see leg breakers but I'm completely with Dyche that if we're going to replace hard tackles with cheating, then something is wrong. The cheats need to be stamped out (or stamped on :D), anything construed as a dive should get a lengthy ban. Not just something that has conned a ref into giving a penalty
     
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    Thing is right it might be taking the debate in a different direction but actually in the last few years of watching football I don’t remember too many bad injuries coming from bad tackles? Usually it’s when a player lands awkwardly or his leg/knee just gets pinned against something. I know refs are quick to show red cards for dangerous tackles but actually a lot of tackles might be a bit reckless but they’re not putting the other player in danger. Far more likely to get hurt doing what Costa does and dangling a dainty foot into a 50-50.
     
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    Totally agree, the level of fitness amongst a large number of officials, while they may be able to pass some meaningless test, are carrying excess weight. Not a great advert.
     
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