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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Poole Wolf, Feb 1, 2019.

  1. wolvesfcneil

    wolvesfcneil Just doesn't shut up

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    The problem is players have too much power these days and when went down to league 1 those players were not playing for any of the 2 managers you only have to look at the recent Pogba *******s and its not just big name players
     
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  2. ShropshireLad

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    Yes but no but...managers lose the dressing room for various reasons. It happens.

    And to be fair, footballers at a certain level are treated as chess pieces. The club has to recruit the correct piece to help balance the team and to strengthen it. Lower down the leagues, I agree, players need to be "man" managed...as it were.
     
  3. WolfInSheep'sClothing

    WolfInSheep'sClothing Senior Member

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    What did Pogba actually do? Say that Man United at home need to attack more? Well duh.
    In my opinion he became a convenient scapegoat for a manager that wanted out from the end of last season.
    Man Utd look a lot better for gambling a little more tactically. These days it seems to be that fans turn on the players far quicker than the managers and I don't fully understand why.
     
  4. WolfInSheep'sClothing

    WolfInSheep'sClothing Senior Member

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    They aren't chess pieces in that a manager can't control where they are on the "board" at any one point in time. Players have to decide where to move themselves based on part natural instinct and part what they have been doing in training.
    Imagine you are a winger who is being asked to track back. You've noticed a particular place where you could be free on a counter. You are one of the best players in the world. Do you keep following the managers instructions even if you don't think that he is right? I know I wouldn't.

    Imagine you genuinely don't understand what it is the manager wants from you. He tells you to do one thing that is hindering you attacking wise and then drops you because you don't score enough. Should you pick a fight then? Personally I would.

    You and your manager have had a private dispute. You decide to stick your head down get on with it and not publicise anything about it only to find that he has gone to the media to slag you off. Would you not do the same back?
     
  5. Sussex Wolf

    Sussex Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    While I agree in principle, if the club does not back the manager fully, then if conflict develops, the manager is toast. The manager should inspire and set a clear vision for his/her team. I’m not sure Sarri is the most inspiring from the little I’ve seen of him. Nuno on the other hand, is inspiring in the extreme.
     
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  6. wolvesfcneil

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    Obviously never saw his tweet after he got sacked even Stevie Wonder could see there was something going on with the pair of them
     
  7. Black Country Wanderer

    Black Country Wanderer Has a lot to say

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    You've obviously never been in a management position,real life is no different to football
    You can have a worker that produces excellent work, but not enough to fulfill the quota,you tell him what is required,he may disagree, but in the end if you fail to meet the deadlines its you that gets sacked,so you have to be ruthless
    It the same in football,the manager is responsible for results,he devises a system and expects his players to work to that system,otherwise whats the point?
    Yes i agree,there are times where the players must improvise,but if they do it all the time every player in the team suffers ,and no one knows whats going on
    Yes you can have open and frank discussions behind closed doors,explain your views and listen to what your manager says too,but in the end the manager has to control events,rightly or wrongly,as the first head on the block is his
     
  8. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    Yeah something was going on with them. In my opinion the fault lay more with Mourinho.
     
  9. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    Hahahahahaha. Stopped reading after the first sentence.
     
  10. Black Country Wanderer

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    Really? I think the rest of the football world would slightly disagree
     
  11. Black Country Wanderer

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    Your problem mate
     
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  12. ShropshireLad

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    There is a pattern which players are expected to adapt to and that's Nuno's style. Have you seen him during a match when he lets rip when someone is out of position? The players are taught in training how to make appropriate decisions which need to be replicated on the pitch and so they need to be positioned accordingly, to be where they're expected to be. How Nuno wishes to play, and from interviews with the players it's the same, they say our style is all about how we play irrespective of what the opposition do. Under those match circumstances which the team recognise they then get into position. That's why I commented on here about a few chaps behind me earlier in the season not understanding our style by shouting, "Get at him" and "Push up". That kind of attitude makes no sense any more.
     
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    thats fine, i did specify 'in my view'


    Cheers
     
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    I really think that should be our aim this season. Not to finish just 7th but to finish 7th and close the gap on 6th. We won’t make 6th but we should be looking to get at close as possible.
     
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    Threlwheel? **** It, spell it how you want. We'd all know what you meant anyway. It's only the internet, ay it?
     
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    I look at most teams and the manager has to work with a disparate collection of players collected by a number of managers .

    His main job seems to be to herd very expensive cats.

    Wolves on the other hand seem to be all picked to do a job , or are prepared to be moulded in to Nuno's plans.

    So it appears someone like Dendocker needed to be drilled for months before he could be placed in the team.
     
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    Was it that or was it a case of nuno adapting the system slightly to fit him in?
     
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  18. St.Simon.

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    Then you will not learn anything from it will you? :)
     
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  19. ShropshireLad

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    He's a bit Lolbakkenesque but a little bit more savvy. However, he'll go the same way as Lolbakken.
     
  20. St.Simon.

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    I assume then that you were aware of all the circumstances, not just the versions in the Press (all suitably slanted to meet their particular agendas). Two massive egos clashing perhaps?

    My take on it - from very limited knowledge - is that Pogba is an egotistical, petulant, bundle of trouble, and sooner or later he will clash with whoever the manager is (he has history).
     
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    Well he is French
     
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  22. St.Simon.

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    :p
     
  23. Jim Bowen

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    Sarriball is nothing special or revolutionary is it? Basically don't they just pass pass pass in deep areas, hoping the opposition commit too many players to close them down, then they spring into an attack with one pass forward and they are away with an overload in a counter attack?
     
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    I assume you know all the circumstances then? From what I know about Mourinho he is a egotistical, petulant, bundle of trouble
     
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    There are times when you realise that a perfectly reasonable thread has run its course.
     
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    I remember, some years ago, when Schevchenco was first signed, think it was the first match, Charity Shield and Lampard & co basically ignored him. He was getting into some good positions and they would pass to anyone but him. I remember thinking at the time, what's he got to do to get the ball and then I thought mm, they don't seem to like him, the new boy must have upset the clique. Just shows, even bringing a new player, never mind a manager in, has to have the approval of the dressing room. Schevchenco's season went downhill from there
     
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    I fundamentally disagree. St Simon sets out a good part of the reason why.
     
  28. St.Simon.

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    Oh dear...please read the post to which you are responding. The words "from very limited knowledge" appear therein.
     
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  29. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    The whole point is you've got next to nothing proven about Pogba but Mourinho had been slagging off his fellow employees, his bosses and whoever the hell he could. It is isn't very limited knowledge about Mourinho. He spent 70 million on centre backs then slagged off his bosses for not giving him more for centre backs. He picked a fight with everybody under the sun, sullying man United's reputation at the same time. But because he's the boss he should be able to do what he wants? Nah, I ain't having that. He's the **** who deserved to lose his job.
     
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    Chelsea players down tool under every manager, they're bullet proof. However Sarri's done some weird things as well, like playing one of the best CDMs in the league as a number 10.
     
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    It’s so simple.

    He wants the sack! He’s playing for it.

    Conte did the same with his comments. Sarri is a mercenary with many clubs in his wake. He wants out and is trying to talk himself into being sacked.

    £10 million pay off? Yes please.
     
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  32. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    This is exactly what it's about IMO. Same with Mourinho. Doesn't want the job anymore. In this situation managers used to resign. These days they know they can engineer a payoff.

     
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    No, I don’t think your taking it too far. Look at what we’ve done this year, beating or drawing 5 out 6 top clubs. We need to beat or draw at Liverpool to make it 6/6.
    Our problem this year has been consistency ....e.g. Fulham or Shrewsbury.....but Nuno will work on that. Also we tend to forget that this is Nuno’s first Pl season and most of the squads too. It must be a tad daunting, especially for the younger players, playing against world class players.
    But with a year’s PL experience for Nuno and the squad and the summer transfer window then I think we have a good chance being in or around top 4 next year.
     
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    And that shows the difference when our players are interviewed or on social media. It's all about the team, if I remember rightly even after jota's hatrick, all he would talk about was the team performance and the win. Was quite deflective of the praise that he rightly reserved.
    At Chelsea it seems poisonous and starts with the senior pro's. As it was at Man U under mourinho, players just couldn't be arsed and knew he'd be sacked.
    Sarri will definitely be gone before the end of the season, in my opinion.
     
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    In my opinion, that comes directly from the approach of the manager. Stay humble. None of this special one *******s.
     
  36. Leominster_Wolf

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    100% - from the top down right the way through, Jeff, laurie, nuno - no egos, no bull****
     
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    We did beat Liverpool in the cup, not quite the same but we beat them.
     
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    Yeah I know. But I really hope we take some points off them.
     
  39. Black Country Wanderer

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    Definitely a touch too far imo,i wouldn't argue too much about top 6 in a season or two, if we get the right players, that's achievable with a fair wind,top 4 probably a step too far just yet though
    I know its sounding like we are Billy big b------s but we have seen our progression in 2 seasons,and i'm sure another 2 will see us progress to the next level ,and that's top 6 as we stand,not many would argue against that i feel
     
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