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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Poole Wolf, Feb 1, 2019.

  1. Poole Wolf

    Poole Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Interesting article in the Telegraph to day about Sarri, says his players have not even picked up the basics yet. Hazard for instance is playing for himself and not following instructions. Players saying there is too much reliance on Jorginho, and "some players believe Sarri’s training is too repetitive as he attempts to drill his style of play into them".

    The view is that Chelsea have been worked out.

    This brings to mind the constant repetition drilled into Wolves from day one and goes some way of explaining how important the team ethic is and how just signing top players can disrupt this. Spurs, another successful manager, have not signed anyone for two windows.

    Unfortunately behind a paywall but worth buying a copy just to read this.

    Revealed: What Maurizio Sarri said in Chelsea dressing room inquest and why Eden Hazard was singled out

    Nuno's approach is way ahead of the average British manager and this should go some way towards explaining the lack of transfers in this window and how long it takes players to be integrated into this Wolves team.
     
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  2. JadeWolf

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    Sarri is 3rd favourite manager to next get the sack.
     
  3. Poole Wolf

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    I've heard this too Jade but that indicates player power which destroys the need to apply a philosophy to the whole squad.
    The point I was making was that Nuno has been successful in applying his concepts but a top four team with selfish stars makes it harder to go this route.
     
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    Agree, and I think with the bigger teams when it goes wrong it goes wrong big style, look at Mourinho. I think what Nuno has done has been phenomenal for us, and it's obvious he's a fabulous coach/manager. Think you've also made a really spot on point about players taking time to fit in, you've only gotta look at Dendoncker aint ya. I mean for months people was going like, where's Dendoncker, why's he not playing, I bet Nuno never even wanted him, all that rubbish, but as soon as Nuno thought he was ready, bang he's in the team and doing brilliant.
     
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    He’s a dead man walking already. It’s no great surprise given that they seemingly disagree on the transfer strategy.

    Surely these things are discussed at interview stage?
     
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    It never appears that any Chelsea manager has the full control to introduce his ideas
     
  7. The Wolf Of Wombourne

    The Wolf Of Wombourne Senior Member

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    Can't really compare the 2 and Sarri clearly is a good manager. Nuno was able to come in and pretty much dismantle and rebuild a squad, season and a half in there's only 5 players who were here before him, excluding academy players that is. He's been able to hand pick players for his system who respect him and want to be here. Much easier in that instance but only comes with time and backing.

    Also all credit to Nuno for enacting it, love the bloke and done wonders for us.
     
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    These so called big teams mostly have Billy big *******s playin for them.

    One of Kevin Thelwells job is to make sure whoever wolves sign also has a great attitude.

    Having said all that,I appreciate Sarri inherited these players.So I suppose it makes it more difficult.

    Edited cus I spelt Kevin's name wrong.Dow want or need the idiot teachers pulling me up this morning cus I've got out the wrong side of the bed.:(
     
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  9. steve vena

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    Agree. Antonio conte was a brilliant manager and they got him out.
     
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    When you play the best defensive midfielder in the world in an attacking role or on the right wing you've only got yourself to blame really haven't you.

    Blokes on borrowed time
     
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    Yeah, AHs like Pogba, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic etc play for one person, themselves. They genuinely think that they are bigger than the club and the team. The pandering to them by club owners and constant manager churn suggests that they might well be right.
    SAF saw the writing on the wall and, before he went himself, moved Pogba on. What l'd give for that **** Pogba to get even an hour of vintage Clough or Shankley without his phalanx of agents etc to protect his worthless ass....
     
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  12. Beer Wolf

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    I had to smile when it looked as though Mourinho was about to get the sack and some Man U fans were saying we'll take Nuno or Pochettino. Then you had Spurs fans saying if we lose Poch we'll take Nuno.
    Other teams fans don't get it that Nuno is in possibly the best environment for him in England. It seems as though he has a say in most aspects of the club and not just the first team. He brings in players ie Donk and works with them until he thinks they are ready to play in his system.
    The fans understand this and are by and large happy with it.
    He seems to have a great relationship with Jeff and obviously Mendes/ Fosun.
    The fans love him the players love him.
    He would be mad to swap that for some of the toxic player led dressing rooms.
     
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    They were looking quality a few months back but missing that final piece of the jigsaw, completely lost the way and now not playing for the manager, another example of player power over the manger in the top 6.
     
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    Saw the thread title and thought for one minute we had squeezed in a last minute signing!
     
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    Could someone please explain exactly what Sarriball is?
     
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    Hazard is massively overrated in my view
     
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  17. Poole Wolf

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    Never heard it before but seems that like Nuno Sarri has a philosophy and people are calling it Sarriball. Do we have Nunoball?
     
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    When you are a regular top 4 team and lose 4-0 to Bournemouth the writing is on the wall. We only beat them 2-1 but it could easily have been 3 or 4, so poor were they in the 2nd half. I'd say Sarri has another couple of matches to turn it round, otherwise he will be gone. His TV interviews, from what I have seen, are terrible.
     
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    Nuno played an international centre-back in a forward midfield role, iirc.:cool:
     
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    It's a bit like Nunoball but different. :)
     
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    Chelsea are a total basket case of a club and have been for years, the players have run it since Mourinho's first spell. Sarri is a good manager but you need to be more than a good manager with that playing squad. If you're too soft they'll walk all over you, if you try to stamp your authority, they down tools. It's a no win situation for any manager (except for the massive pay off you're guaranteed to get)
     
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    Long may they decline.
     
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  23. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    Generally I hate all this "I have a philosophy I am going to impose it on you" bull**** that comes with some managers. There ain't just one way of playing football. If you can't adapt you shouldn't be in a top job.
     
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    Tbf, buddy, I don't understand.
    "I have a philosophy I am going to impose it on you" bull**** that comes with some managers.
    I agree that there's different ways of playing football but are you saying that managers are supposed to adapt to the team?

    I'd say managers need to impose their philosophy onto the team (a la Nuno) and the players need to adapt.
     
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    Imagine how difficult it would be for any manager to take over a top side like Chelsea and try to get them to change their philosophy completely. Especially when the players could point to Sarri's record of not winning much as an example of why they shouldn't.

    Nuno's season in the Championship has given him even more power to implement his ideas and shape his vision. Any player coming in can't argue, as he has the evidence and the Championship trophy to back up his methods!
     
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    The phrase "Sarri-ball" makes me cringe - it gives off the impression that the bloke has completely reinvented football.

    Problem at Chelsea is they have created a culture that has pretty much made the role of manager/head coach unimportant, by sacking those who have brought them unprecedented success.

    They also get stick for not giving young players a chance. But if you're a manager/head coach at Chelsea what incentive is there to take a long-term approach with anything?
     
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  27. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    Nuno's "philosophy" has not been the same everywhere he has gone. You adapt to suit the best qualities of players at your disposal and they likewise adapt to fit your ideas. Sarri's tactics ain't getting the best out of some very good players. And neither will they.
     
  28. ShropshireLad

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    The Lolbacon fiasco demonstrated that players couldn't adapt to him and that he couldn't adapt to them.

    As for Nuno, there's no way that I'd expect him to change his philosophy to accommodate Traore as it's down to him to up his game and adapt to the team. Costa is under-performing but perhaps it's his lack of confidence owing to his injury which is holding him back - although he should have got over that by now. He does show flashes of brilliance so I wouldn't say that it's Nuno's issue which leads him to underperform.
     
  29. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    Sorry, that criticism wasn't aimed at Nuno. It was aimed at Sarri. Our current system gets the best out of most of our players.
     
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    The Chelsea dressing room has run the show for years. Most of them think they're better what they really are but they have won trophies where as Sarri though his Napoli side did some great things never won anything and you can sort of imagine Hazard and the likes doing things their own way.
    People actually forget Sarri actually started very well and was unbeaten for a long time, but obviously cracks in the dressing room, he has to hang in there and hope the club give him more time to get players he wants in, i think in the end though the players will again come out on top and he'l be gone.
    Certainly at Wolves you get the sense everyone is pulling in the same direction and theres no over inflated ego's
     
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    Top 4 up for grabs next season if we recruit very well in the summer? Or am I taking it too far?:confused:
     
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    Might be a long shot but i don't think we'l be too far behind Chelsea in a few weeks
     
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    Hope springs eternal in the JOS's breast.:D
     
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    Chelsea is a real enigma side, and that goes far beyond Sarriball.

    Regarding tactics, I think it's interesting that Sarri has the same rather dogmatic approach to formation and style that Nuno purported to have - "we play the same way". There is a clear divergence between the managers here though. Where Sarri has insisted that the team must go back to basics, claims that they lack commitment and are unable to play in his style yet, Nuno has persevered with the general ethos, whilst making subtle adaptations in response to failures, and has generally protected his team by avoiding to talk about individuals. Sarri's approach, and some of his language, actually reminds me of Stale Solbakken - trying to play a system with players who don't fit, and viewing the losses as collateral damages in his war against the old system.

    Beyond that, since Mourinho's first departure, there has been something about Chelsea as a club that just doesn't get on with its managers. There has always been a contingent of the first team squad in opposition to the manager and attempting to wrestle control away from the dugout and onto the pitch. Arguably, the success of Di Matteo is based on this recognition, where he essentially allowed the old guard of Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba and John Terry to manage themselves in the Champions League.

    There's even a predictable pattern to it. Hardcore of players cause trouble for the manager and through their under performance, hinder the side's progress. Board sacks the manager and backs someone who will ingratiate themselves with those players. Those players play really well, until a new hardcore of dissenters comes along, and the cycle starts again.
     
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    The way Chelsea have been playing lately I can see them ending up 6th. They are currently 12 points ahead of us and I’m not suggesting we can catch them but looking at ours and their fixtures I can definitely see us closing that gap and giving them a scare.
     
  36. ShropshireLad

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    Fair enough, buddy, but I don't see a problem with Sarri. It's down to them to perform to his requirements in order for the team to progress. Solbakken was well-intentioned and he probably had a decent philosophy given that he went on to succeed at Copenhagen. We were at the top of league at one time (e.g. when we scored v Palace we were top for 7 minutes on the Sky interactive table) but eventually losing we slid steadily down the table. The players made sure that he failed. However, I admit that he was such a boring sod that I couldn't have worked for him. Sarri also seems a bit like that as well.
     
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    Top 6 for sure so long as the Europa Cup doesn't take its toll if we're in it.
     
  38. WolfInSheep'sClothing

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    Sorry. I don't buy all this "players not playing for him" business. It is part of a managers job to make the players understand their ideas and convince the players that his ideas are ultimately right. Footballers ain't chess pieces. If he can't do that then he ain't right for the job.
    And I won't mention voldermort. I could lose a day by going on a massive rant.
     
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    Whatever happened to ‘he’s got no hair and we don’t care’?
    Sounds like you very much cared about his lack of barnet making him appear like a villainous wizard.
     
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    Nothing to do with his hair, more to do with not mentioning him by name. Villainous wizard is fairly apt too :p
     

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