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Ruddy to have a run?

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Biffana wolf, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. Flea

    Flea Senior Member

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    Ruddy to play in the cup and Rui to play in the league.
    So,it is a NO from me.
    However,if we reach the quarters or a semi in the FA Cup we would have done so with Ruddy between the sticks,and there isn´t enough daylight between Patricio and Ruddy to motivate a switch.

    I hate it when teams get´s switched despite the fact other guys got them there.I cannot support that happens to Ruddy.
     
  2. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Both are excellent keepers, I think John Ruddy had a difficult role last year, with Ikeme's situation. But although he was possibly at fault for a couple of goals, overall he was superb.
    Ok not as good as Rui, but still superb.
     
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  3. Jim Bowen

    Jim Bowen Just doesn't shut up

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    Ruddy has a longer kick, as we saw last season with a Jota goal but he's no more accurate at the shorter stuff than Patricio, sliced at least two against Liverpool, one went out of play, the other luckily went straight to Jonny.

    A good back up keeper but if we had a weak area last season it was definitely him for 3 or 4 months, it's amazing how quickly people forget all those flaps at shots and crosses last season just because Patricio can't kick like Ederson. Unbelievable the amount of criticism he gets, he's a top-class goalkeeper, if you want an improvement you'd have to get a world class one but unfortunately they are all at the very top clubs.

    Unless you're buying world class players you just have to accept that the players you do buy have flaws and basically just forget about them and focus on what they can do. Patricio is average at kicking and commanding his area but is pretty much as good as it gets in the rest of his attributes.
     
  4. Direwolf

    Direwolf Has a lot to say

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    I think Rui is marginally the better keeper and does not require a rest or spell on the bench. Ruddy is pretty good back up. I think Ruddy should be first choice for cup games as it's useful game play so he is ready to step in if needed.
     
  5. SteveBullsKnee

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    Few people on here saying Rui is weak on crosses. Am I missing something? I can only think of two he has fumbled at all season. When he comes for it, he gets it. Got one of the top 10 keepers in the world and people still criticise. Good job we don't have Messi he'd be caned for drifting around.
     
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  6. TFWanderers

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    Not a chance for me.

    The back line looked completely unsettled with Ruddy in there.

    I'm not sure what the issue was but there were numerous times when John should have been flying out to collect the ball leading to us quickly scrambling the ball away....actually saw Coady ushering the ball back at one stage and then having to stick it out for a throw in.

    I said to my mate is Ruddy saying anything to the back line?

    Great back up keeper don't get me wrong. David de Gea took a bit of time adjusting to the Premier League coming from Spanish football.

    Rui will get used to what certain strikers try in the box and what they get away with.

    Rui is a top top keeper.
     
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  7. glorybox

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    Jiminez moves out wide on goal kicks for flick ons or to hold up the ball
     
  8. wolf of sedgley

    wolf of sedgley Just doesn't shut up

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    Remember when Ruddy went through that extremely dodgy patch last season?
     
  9. Nige100

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    It's a NO from me.
     
  10. JonahWolf

    JonahWolf Senior Member

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    Seen a few suggestions, but they are pretty thin on the ground.

    Jimenez is pretty good in the air, but I’m not going to back him much against at least 1 CB, from a fairly static start which is the case from goal kicks.

    Can’t really split the CBs really wide and play out short all the way from the back, as neither Patrício, Ruddy or Bennet are comfortable enough on the ball if they get pressed a bit.

    Aiming for Doc’s head sounds like best compromise to me. It’s a fairly low margin of error kick, but it’s usually one where Doc has the height and aerial ability advantage over most LW or LBs.
     
  11. AmsterdamWolf

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    Ruddy is not better than Patricio at anything.

    I think some people have short memories, but last season we were all cursing Ruddy for his poor distribution. There is no scenario I can picture where putting Ruddy in the goal makes me have as much confidence as having Patricio there.
     
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  12. ccpnumber5

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    The mirror question can just as easily be asked: would Ruddy have tipped Sterling's shot onto the post vs City, or saved the Arnautovic one-on-one against West Ham that paved the way for us to score the winner? I don't think Rui has fully found his feet in English football yet either (the language, the Footballing cultural differences etc), after spending his whole career with his boyhood club. The best is yet to come from RP.
     
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    The semis? I’d have Rui back in for the 4th round.
     
  14. S G Wolves

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    Rui is top top keeper. Makes goal keeping look easy at times.

    We are lucky to have him.
     
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    You play your best players
     
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    Only wolves fans can try displace an international goalkeeper (and highly regarded one) within four months
     
  17. CzechWolf

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    Thread summary:

    Rui Patricio WAS one of the best goalkeepers in the world, but then he moved to Wolves and suddenly he's only marginally preferable to Ruddy because Ruddy can do kicks like Ederson?
     
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  18. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Saving shots is Rui's forte and he is just superb at doing that. His save v Sterling for Man City was incredible.

    I accept Ruddy was at fault for a few goals (one or two), but the same could be said of Rui.

    Pity you can't combine their qualities.
     
  19. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    You can't say whether he would have tipped Sterlings shot. His save away at Cardiff was incredible as was the save v Liverpool.

    I'm not for a moment trying to demean Rui, just don't like the dismissive attitude towards Ruddy from a few.
     
  20. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    I know he made a few errors, but when was that "extremely dodgy patch"?
     
  21. we8wba

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    Irony of it all was, people moaned about Ruddys kicking last season too
     
  22. ccpnumber5

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    Solid 'keeper and a great pro- would have done fine I think had we not signed Rui. But I think when the chance comes along to sign a player of his quality and pedigree, you take it. We'll find ourselves in this difficult position emotionally again when it comes to upgrading on the likes of Doc, Bennett even Coady.
     
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  23. Jim Bowen

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    It wasn't just that he was at fault for some goals, he had a long spell (December to March) where he looked extremely dodgy, he was lucky we had one of the best defences the Championship has ever seen otherwise I think he'd have lost his place. Fumbling crosses, miss kicking clearances and flapping at shots quite regular during those few months.

    There's a world of difference between him and Patricio in my opinion, I can't really believe we have these discussions on here, it shouldn't really be a debate. It's the striker equivalent of having Jay Rodriguez and Son Heung-min in your squad and someone suggesting Rodriguez should play ahead of Son. Patricio is a top international goalkeeper and Ruddy is top end Championship level whos kicking is pretty average too so doesn't even win that.
     
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    Rui is the undoubted number 1 but Ruddy is a fantastic reserve to have. Certainly in ability but I've also loved his team ethic and he's not thrown his dummy out like some would. Quite the opposite. It might be a small thing but it says a lot about his character that he always waits at the changing room door at the end of the game to welcome each player back in.

    A much deserved new contract at the start of the season.
     
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  25. AmsterdamWolf

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    Will retract if someone can find it (I cant anymore) but I remember seeing on sky during one of our matches last year that Ruddy had made more mistakes leading to goals than almost any other keeper in the championship. Dont get me wrong, I think he is a great number two to have, but I think he was rightly one of the first players of the championship squad that was in line to be upgraded on, and I beleive we have made an excellent upgrade in Patricio.
     
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  26. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    I ay saying he shouldn't be number 2, just that some grossly exaggerate some players "dodginess".
     
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    So you must now be receiving counselling and medication for Huddersfield’s 2nd then? No? Thought not. We are lucky to have Rui at our unfashionable small city club and can do no wrong etc..
     
  28. David webb

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    Well that’s a decision for the manager, would be a hard one. Let’s cross that bridge when we come to it!
     
  29. David webb

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    Me too.

    Ruddy and Doherty were walking out the Crown as we walked in couple of weeks ago. Ruddy is ****in huge! Seems a lot bigger than Rui
     
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    I knew old age was ****ing up my memory, suggestions of Ruddy taking over from Riu can only confirms this.:(
     
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    We are blessed in the goalkeeper department.
     
  32. brightside

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    Ruddys worst mistake was Forests goal at the City ground. Basically stood in completely the wrong place.

    Good keeper and we’re fortunate to have him as back up but he’s never getting in front of Rui.
     
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    This in spades!!
     
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  34. JonahWolf

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    Ok, let’s for arguments sake say that Ruddy is equally as good a shot stopper as Rui (could be, gotta be pretty close), equally poor at commanding box/claiming crosses, and a bit better at kicking, but still just as uncomfortable in possession trying to play short.

    I’d still say that Patrício’s 1v1 ability is so far above that he remains automatic first choice, since that’s pretty damned high in the things you want your keeper good at.

    Just as an aside, you reckon Rui gets to Townsend’s wonder volley against City?
    Cos I do. Ederson is a decent, but not incredible shot stopper. Pep bought him because of his quality on the ball, and because he was better at more traditional ‘keeper duties than the woeful Bravo.
     
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    I think you need to message all managers who have teams in the 4th round of the cup. Not that I'm disagreeing with your comment.
     
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    Having two excellent keepers is a great problem to have.

    Both can make amazing stops, and win us games and points. Rui has his weaknesses, but has been more consistent than Ruddy was last season. Rui’s distribution is relatively poor, especially when called upon to kick from a defensive back pass under pressure. However, that’s highly unlikely to cause us to ship goals, even if it is pant wetting at times. Ruddy had fantastic spells last season, and other spells, when many asked for him to be dropped after mistakes cost us. Rui has rarely prompted that reaction this season, and even in games where he has made a mistake, he’s generally made up for it with amazing saves.

    And finally. Our Manager is a former keeper, and sees them training every day, and if he thinks Rui is the better first choice, then I’m happy to trust his judgement.
     
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  37. reanswolf

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    Just think both deserve huge amounts of respect and lurv!
     
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    This in Spades
    Trust Nuno's judgement
     
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    We have Rui Patricio!!! I still can’t believe we’ve got him. Dreamland.

    Laughable that some would replace him with Ruddy.
     
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    It would be like swapping Daenyrys Targaryen for Brienne of Tarth.
     

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