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Point gained in the end.......stay positive

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by reanswolf, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. Ulfhednar

    Ulfhednar Just doesn't shut up

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    Because promotion is won over a season, and we're on target with plenty to still improve and to go in our favour.

    Nuno's biggest thing is a tight defence & low goals against, I don't doubt he'll fix it. Newcastle lost to us at home last season, that's even worse than a draw, they won the league.
     
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    For some reason you seem unable to differentiate between one result and viewing the season as a whole..why do you keep referring to a season when we are discussing one match? By that logic, if we lost ten games in a row and then won 5-0, would the 5-0 suddenly become a bad result due to what had preceded it? Why people can't accept a draw at home to Bristol city is 2 points dropped continually reverting to generic talk of " we can improve " and talking about Newcastle I've no idea.
     
  3. Mr Wolf

    Mr Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    If you're a goal down with 5 mins to go & you get a point it's a point gained imo regardless of what's gone on before or what the preconceptions are before the game has kicked off.

    The stats/odds say with 5 mins to go during the actual physical game you are more likely to lose & get zero points at that stage so from that position it is a point gained.

    I don't expect this is a game we'll look back on & think we were robbed of those 2 points which is what happens when you've actually lost them.
     
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  4. BN1Wolves

    BN1Wolves Senior Member

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    Id have taken 14 points from the first 7 games if offered pre season especially as we took 9 points off 3 of the " more equipped " teams.
     
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  5. Elvis Wolf

    Elvis Wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Spot on Mr W.!
    At the end of the season that POINT GAINED, NOT LOST could prove VITAL!
     
  6. Ulfhednar

    Ulfhednar Just doesn't shut up

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    Because there's loads of good things to support, because it's still early doors and we're still gelling, developing, getting to grips with the nature of the Championship, and because it's not like Nuno doesn't know what issues we have and isn't going to address them. Sometimes, it's better to pat your donkey than keep kicking it.

    If we had problems in attack, we'd have an issue, cuz we don't have the depth to address it. But our attack is working fine, the area we're falling down on is defending, which is Nuno's speciality and we've got lots of options, we'll fix it.
     
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    Bullywolf Senior Member

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    If you're a goal up at home to one of the lesser sides and get a draw it's two points dropped regardless of whats gone on before or after flipping your argument. By your logic, if a team was playing a side they expected to beat and drew 0-0 playing well it's two points dropped but if a team played poorly going 1-0 and drew 1-1 with a last minute penalty its suddenly a good result and a point gained. You can't just look through a blinkered window of the last 5 minutes, we were at home to a team we expected to beat and drew.. its two points dropped no matter how many times people talk about newcastle, improving, last 5 minutes and odds.
     
  8. Andy

    Andy Just doesn't shut up

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    If you come out pessimistic after watching Wolves last night there's something wrong with you.

    So much to be positive and optimistic about.
     
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    Bullywolf Senior Member

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    Again none of this is relevant , any team playing at home getting a draw is a poor result.. its a bizarre mentality people have suggesting a point at home is a point gained. I'd say the same thing if a team won 30 games back to back and drew at home , people can't separate the past from the present when analysing a result.Using the analogy, if we lost ten matches then won 5-0 that'd be a good result.. no one would say its an awful result because we lost the previous ten. Why does a draw at home to Bristol city suddenly not become two points dropped because we won matches beforehand?
     
  10. Ulfhednar

    Ulfhednar Just doesn't shut up

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    Isn't the whole issue with the Championship that there aren't necessarily 'lesser' sides, they all have the potential to fight tooth & nail, reffing isn't always the best, anyone can get a result against anyone. It's why the overall season, and how it all pans out across many games as luck evens out, is more important than any one individual game, none of which are necessarily defining.
     
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    There's something wrong with you if you aren't bright enough to separate a performance from a result but as you were betting on wolves to be relegated last season telling people there was value to be had at 3-1 probably best to leave it there.
     
  12. Andy

    Andy Just doesn't shut up

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    Because very few teams finish a season with a 100% record at home, it's expected that you will drop points at home at some point during a season. Due to the way the game panned out we showed a lot of character to avoid defeat and we should be optimistic about the character and quality shown.
     
  13. Andy

    Andy Just doesn't shut up

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    I think you have me confused with someone else, I made no such bet.
     
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    If there are no lesser sides, why spend any money at all - we may as well not spend a penny and as you say just see how it pans out hoping for the best sitting back in deck chairs. Of course there are lesser sides, football is a sport where anyone can beat anyone on a given day but a side drawing at home with better players will never be anything other than 2 points dropped regardless of how people spin it.
     
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    We aren't discussing performance , what part of that is so difficult to comprehend? We are talking about a draw at home to Bristol City being 2 points dropped which has nothing to do with performance, manager suitability or season analysis. If we had gone into this game on a bad run of results , everyone to a man would be stating it was a poor result dropping points but suddenly it becomes a good result as many can't separate one game from others.
     
  16. Ulfhednar

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    And was our win against Middlesbrough 2 points stolen due to it being from a Middlesbrough mistake?
     
  17. Bullywolf

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    Ah right fair enough , it was your namesake then another Andy
     
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    No it was a good result , last night was a poor result regardless of how well we may have played. You understand a result is not the same as a performance presumably.
     
  19. Andy

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    You seem quite wound up, I understand you just want to separate the result from the performance, but that's an odd thing to do, the context of the way the game panned out and the performance, and the performances and results surrounding it is important.

    Fine, if you want to look at a season as a series of individual games, you might say it's a bad result, I've already said it's two points dropped elsewhere, but we're averaging two points a game, playing very well, and the performances we're putting in should make any Wolves fan optimistic.
     
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  20. Andy

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    No worries, there are a few of us :)
     
  21. Bullywolf

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    I'm fairly optimistic as well but don't see why we can't be optimistic and still say its a bad result even if the performance was decent and encouraging.
     
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  22. Andy

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    I agree it's not the result we wanted, I just don't think it's worth worrying about too much, we'll win most games playing like that I'd say.

    So, I actually agree with you. :)
     
  23. Mr Wolf

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    When they scored that 3rd everyone would have taken a point, overall yes we missed out on 2 extra points but at that stage of the game it was simply a point gained. We dug out a result in the context of that game which overall will play a part & could end up being the difference between needing a draw or a win later down the line.
     
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  24. reanswolf

    reanswolf MolMix's Manchester United Cheerleader-in-Chief

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    Because no team has a god given right to get 3 points every home game. Infact you might end up winning less than half of them.
    Every game in this division is a battle, I still think we are set up better for counter attacking away from home.

    In the end, we snatched a draw from the jaws of defeat. Against a more than capable Bristol City side.
     
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    Plenty of positives to take from last night:
    • Last season we would have lost the game
    • This season we are playing with some style
    • Many of these players have not been together for long so they will improve further
    • Costa still to come back and other players still to hit their peak
    • Cardiff lost so we gained a point on them
    • We could be supporting Villa or Blues!
    Provided nobody starts to pull away at the top, we are better off sitting behind the front runners and staying below the radar. If we hit the top then we're there to be shot at.
    Need to cut out the silly defensive mistakes and improve defending from set pieces and then we'll really motor!
     
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    We are a point better off in the league so technically we gained a point, however all this gained/dropped points during the 90 minutes is subjective. We drew the game, that's all that matters, it doesn't matter if we were the better team or not.
     
  27. Elvis Wolf

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    My heart sank when they scored their third, as I really thought that was that.
    What I hadn't taken into account was the new Wolves, and our ability to keep our heads up and continue to push on, and rescue a point.
    What a contrast to previous seasons.
    It also put to bed the doubters, who have kept banging on about our foreign imports inability to turn up on a rain lashed evening.
    Well they can and they did!
    Also so refreshing to hear Nuno in his post match comments, identify our weaknesses and the need for us to work on improving and putting things right.
     
  28. Big Nosed Wolf

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    Seven games in. Much improved football. Still early but if I was forced to predict it would be play offs at best. That is either good or bad depending on positioning of moon and stars. Too 'brittle' in one or two games. Bristol and Cardiff particularly.

    Perhaps the 'weem gonna win the league just by looking at the opposition' idea should be seen for what it is. Premature reaction!

    Not keen on play offs. Losing out can be damaging. Especially after considerable sums spent. Just sayin'.

    At least there is now something resembling a club who just might be looking upwards with serious intent. It would be excellent if an automatic place was achieved but on the first seven I don't see it happening this season. Means nothing at all really though with so many games left.
     
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    It'll be playoffs at worst.

    Cannot see us finishing lower than sixth without a **** load of injuries.
     
  30. Big Saft Kid

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    Zzzzzzzzz
     
  31. WonderWolf

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    In fourth place currently, just three points off the top with 7 of 46 games gone. Everything to stay positive about.

    It was 2 points dropped. Nuno would be the first to say this as would any self respecting coach over a home game.

    We are clearly for so many reasons in a state of development, it is not going to click automagically like we'd all dream of it to do so. It will be a process of steady improvement but improvement from a generally strong position......we are up there currently but a “marathon” is never won in the first mile. This applies equally to the other teams above us.

    Everything else is pretty good, it's just the question of the onion bags. Having more in one and less in the other.....I'm pretty confident with our potency we will easily fix this problem over the season. :)
     
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    By brittle do you mean defensively, or the fact we are suddenly not in control of the game. I missed the Cardiff game but was impressed last night more so than v borough also watched Derby game which may have given me an unbalanced opinion. I see it as top 6 at mo, with more than a chance of auto, which is a must this year.
     
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    Fully agreed with the OP. Yes it could be seen as 2 points dropped but with less than 10 minutes to go it was looking like no points at all. Having led twice to not only be pegged back but then go behind the teams fighting spirit has to be admired and whilst assuming nothing think in the past their 3rd goal would have sealed the victory for them.
     
  34. Big Nosed Wolf

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    Just reflected on the word 'brittle' over a very nourishing bowl of Scott's finest porage oats with healthy banana sliced into it. I conclude a poor term for that which I was attempting to portray.

    The first seven have produced more entertainment than seen for a few seasons and that may be the story of the season. Perhaps we will see much flair and attacking 'edge' with the occasional shamboilc bits of defending and being 'put off'- not 'out muscled' particularly- but put off the stride a bit like Cardiff managed to do. Not pretty but realistic?

    Only seven in so as I previously stated it all means jack currently.
     
  35. Bullywolf

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    Drink some coffee kid
     
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    Oh dear ...do you really mean that? o_O
     
  37. Ulfhednar

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    I didn't suggest or agree there is Ref bias against us, just that if there is (as the person suggested), it won't be due to us just being 'money bags' as was suggested, but because of Luddite / anti-foreign elite attitude about Mendes.
     
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    Referring to the OP, and staying positive... I checked the results of the games played by the eventual champions last year.
    In their first 9 games, Newcastle amassed 16 points.
    So far, we have accumulated 14 points in 7 games. No bad going imho.
     
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