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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    On the exterior, I do quite like a brick facade. But I'm sure some (or lots) cladding will be utilised. Something like this....... 85a5dd68a506736bd6ae8d5114d39dd9--cladding-materials-gold-facade.jpg

    The way the panels reflect light and the unevenness of it all means that some of the cladding most of the time will be the correct colour. As we know from endless discussions on the mix, our correct colours are quite subjective. This sort of cladding remedies that.

    I hate that crappy orange corrugated stuff at the back of the north bank.
     
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    Its just a dumb comment full stop isn’t it.
     
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    Nah...
     
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    Hmmmm... George Berry and we might be talking...
     
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  6. Honved

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    Honestly, I'm expecting something similar to Celtic Park, except with a single tier south bank. The Southbank and Steve Bull rebuilt -and the Northbank extended or rebuilt- to form a modern horseshoe that holds around 40k. The Billy Wright left as is in the medium term, keeping the stadium in touch with it's history and having a total capacity around 49k (give or take a thousand or two, maybe 51, maybe 48.) And the Billy Wright then able to be rebuilt in future if Fosun get their way and the club need 60k.
     
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  7. Honved

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    This is a key point. A lot of the worst of what we consider new stadiums are generally ones that were built roughly 1995-2005. And many of the worst offenders were built on the relative cheap, which is exactly what Morgan was planning to do. Stadium development has come a long way. There are specialists in the field who take acoustics into account, and lessons have been learned from problems at places like the Emirates, where a lot of good work was let down by putting fans too far away from the pitch, and by not having steep enough gradients.

    In fact, in many ways, Molineux was one of the first, and worst, of the 'new' stadiums in English football, coming after the Taylor report, but before clubs had learned by trial and error. Our stands were too far from the pitch (to allow ambulances) the corners were open, letting atmosphere out, etc. And yet, Molineux has never been soulless. And never will be. Why? Partly because of the fans, partly because of the location.

    Fosun will invest big in getting the best people to develop a great stadium. And our fans will always make sure the place has soul.
     
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  8. Will Wolf

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    I think that’s a good idea. I’ll take your word about them visiting the site.

    How about a 45k stadium with a simmilar design to Deepdale. Have one smaller stand on one side housing the away fans and corporate. Single tear NB and SB. Always thought it was a smart stadium but not sure how it would work on a larger scale.
     
  9. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    There's nothing historic about a stand built in the 90s. It's as historic as the Riverside or whatever it's called these days.
     
  10. Honved

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    (Whispers) the 1990's was quite a long time ago now. ;)

    History is relative. Always moving. My first experience of Molineux was pre-Hayward rebuild, but the stand is 25 years old. It's named after one of our iconic players, and would be a remaining link to Jack Hayward. And for all the generations who've come up since me it is Molineux. All of our famous 90's games, the playoffs, Sheffield Wednesday in the cup. Newcastle in 2003. The great games we had in our previous spell in the league.

    Personally, I would agree that it's not really historic. In some magical reality where we could just replace the entire stadium overnight with something new and state-of-the-art, I'd be fine with it. And I'm not all that personally nostalgic for Jack's version of Molineux. But it is part of our history, and something that's become clear during this epic thread is just how many people feel the bricks and mortar of Molineux are important. So the phased rebuild gives us the best of both. We'd get a modern stadium on three sides, and we'd be taking this part of the club's history forward with us for the next 5-10 years. And the time to rebuild it would then be when the club have finally and completely outgrown that part of our history.
     
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    If we (well...if I...) was in charge and we were building a completely new ground in one go, I'd model it loosely on the Juventus stadium, but with 9-10k extra seats, and the largest stand would be an imposing single tier South Bank that rose up higher than the other three.

    But what I think we'll get is a large modern horseshoe linking a single tier Southbank, a new Steve Bull, and a remodelled North Bank, with the Billy Wright staying as it is for the foreseeable.
     
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    I wasn’t being too serious. Just reacting to the prior post suggesting Fosun might employ someone like Foster Associates to design something unique and iconic. Imagine something as impressive as the Qatar stadium but incorporating Wolverhampton iconography. Modern but sympathetic. For me, the closest design to this balance is the new Chelsea stadium that’s now on hold.
     
  13. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I get the nostalgia thing but it's not up to it in my opinion. Stand still long enough it'll be a relic. Just look at the Steve Bull, only 15? years older!
     
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    Wouldn't want a gold stadium, bet it would be hard to maintain it looking great. Black, brick, etc with gold trims
     
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    I don't disagree. That's why it needs redeveloped. But It can hold out for a while longer while they get the rest done.
     
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    Of course it's the last stand that needs redeveloping but it does need it.
     
  17. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    The cladding is zinc. I'm not too familiar with the gold cladding but zinc weathers well and develops a protective layer that resists corrosion. It darkens and when weathered actually looks nice, almost organic.
     
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    Really glad that we are staying at Molineux. I know that it was always likely that we were going to stay anyway but glad it has now been confirmed.

    Does anyone have any idea of the timescales that would be involved in the stadium redevelopment. The North Bank redevelopment in 2011 was done the day after the season ended.



    If we are going to redevelop the stadium I would be in favour of doing it as soon as possible. In fact if possible at the start of this close season.
     
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    Think I have mentioned it before, but I've done work on the Atlantis building. It's an incredible building imo.
     
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    I may get ripped for saying it, but having been to Stadium MK for our big day out back inL1, I think that’s not a bad starting point, suitably scaled up. Mostly black glazed brick exterior, like that, if combined with smart gold trim, would work well for us. I remember the interior bars and food areas were good - like a scaled back Wembley. Good seats and access, and kept the sound in nicely. Scale it up by 50% or so, single tiers behind the goals, and I think it would be a smart and flexible stadium combining something the size and scale of Sunderland with the quality / finish of Spurs.

    Designed by Populus, who worked on Wembley with Foster, so has pedigree.
     
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    Agree with this , the concourses were fantastic for food and drink
     
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    Very game of thrones dragon scale effect
     
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    Where? Spurs at Wembley, was just hot dogs as I recall . I purchased one as I needed to know what a £6.50 hot dog tastes like.

    It’s tastes like a £2:00 hot dog.
     
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    This all seems far too sensible and well thought out.

    When do we buy Asda? What about the 40,000 all standing South Bank? What are you proposing we do with the roof of the North Bank?
     
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    If I recall Stadium MK was designed by the same company as the Emirates Stadium. I like how the concourses are designed on the lower tier at Stadium MK so that you can see the pitch from them rather than have the concourse underneath. The pitch is below ground level.
     
  27. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I have some amazing news for you. I've had a $12 hotdog. It tasted just like a £2 one.
     
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    No ..... at MK Dons
     
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    It is bad enough trying to get near our stadium by car and park now, so goodness knows what it will be like if we do increase the capacity to 50,000. If you live in Wolverhampton and can travel by public transport, then it isn't a problem, but as we all know we have fans travelling long distances to watch home games. It is not just the ground that will need redeveloping but the roads and infrastructure around the stadium.

    I can understand all the nostalgic posts, I have stood on the South Bank when we had gates of 50,000 + and dreaded the crushing when we attacked or scored. But in reality if we moved the stadium to another site, e.g out near the A449/ M54 Motorway many of the problems would be sorted. Remember what happened to the Dinosaurs, they couldn't evolve.
     
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    Haha... oh you are a funny man
     
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    That's why I think that the council are going to insist on Park and Ride schemes near the M54 and the M6 or M5. Get's those of us that travel from outside the area parking elsewhere and getting the bus in.
     
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    Not read through the whole thread as don't have a day to spare!! but I was told last night by someone who tends to find stuff out from the club that Fosun have appointed the company who did the redevelopment of the Etihad (to what it is now) to do the stadium and said that the initial designs/plans are jaw dropping.

    Seems to think we will start to hear something within the next 30 days.
     
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    Some may say planning the location of the ground to prioritise car drivers is "dinosaur" thinking, certainly the so called transport planning experts I've met would.;)
     
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    You won't be travelling great distances with electric dinky cars - ground should stay where it is.
     
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    Rhoswolf, I take your point but the village that I live in has a bus service on a Wednesday! Without a car life would be impossible.. When I was younger I used to cycle the sixteen miles to Molineux and back, but now I live further away and no longer ride a bicycle.
     
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    Thanks for the info.
    Wow! Jaw dropping! I hope so. I shall look forward to seeing the designs and plans.
     
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    Hopefully some news tonight at the FP.
     
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    as someone who has a Aunty in the underground Air force I agree.:D

    fed up ay i ;)
     
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    Is there anyone on here that has an aunty that knows what the new seat dimensions are going to be?
     
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    Southdownswolf talks about Park and ride, sensible idea till you look at the figures. If we get crowds of 50,000, so let us say that approximately half use the Park and ride facility. If a bus holds 70 people, I calculate that it is going to take 36 vehicles to transport the fans who will arrive over a varied time period, e.g several hours. However, they will all want transport on the final whistle, especially after an evening game.

    Last night I left the ground after the final whistle, and had a good getaway from the area in my car. It was still well after eleven o'clock when I arrived home. Supporters will not want to be standing around for an hour waiting for Park and Ride to then transport them to another car park.
     
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