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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    I can’t see the issue here.
     
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  2. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    The Superdome in New Orleans is wrapped in a gold coloured metallic skin. Would really smarten up the exterior. It’s basically cladding, I’m sure it’s expensive but looks class.
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    I don’t think anyone is suggesting we add another tier onto any existing stand. The talk about third tiers is as part of new stands, either built at the time the new stand is, or added later when justified. In the latter case, the stand needs to have the potential expansion in mind eg foundations deep enough, a roof structure that can be removed easily or is already high enough, sightlines, etc.

    I get your broader point and LD has made mention of the desire for broader use of the stadium before. That can start as simple as building a pitch structure which is more robust when overlaid with flooring for a concert, and go all the way to removable roof structures. I can’t see the latter but if they get interest in regular concerts / non football events, then the former may be justified, and then this would have knock on effects for catering and bar facilities in the stadium and surrounding area. As it is now, it’s very spartan for a multi use venue even if the pitch could handle it.
     
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    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Really? The club has said that? And no one has thought to mention it on the mix until now? Madness, utter madness. Thanks for sharing this seismic news.
     
  5. WillenhallWolfie1980

    WillenhallWolfie1980 Senior Member

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    personally i wouldn't be surprised to see one big ''U'' shape stand wrapped around from the North Bank End (single Tier) , Across the Steve Bull stand with 2/3 tiers and then Joining up the South bank back as a single tier but going higher and further back , Fill the corners joining up the South bank and North bank to the Billy wright and you have yourself an enclosed bowl effect
     
  6. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    The Billy Wright stand needs replacing. It’s the main stand and not up to scratch for where Fosun want to take the club. Knock it down as part of the 50k plans.
     
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    It's the main stand but i'm sure years ago when it was built it was said that the stand could be made into a three tier stand , Renovate , Add a tier and then join it up with the North and South Bank , Stick the away fans up a corner in the gods like they do at Newcastle , Move the gantry to the new Steve Bull stand

    Personally i would like to see the Molineux like the Etihad , three tiers on the sides but have two big single tier stands behind the goal
     
  8. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    It’s off centre, too far from the pitch, cramped in concourses, dated in corporate areas. There was a rumour a third tier could be added, I remember that. I doubt it’s validity. Tear it down.

    The gantry is where it is for the same reason gantrys around the world are situated in the west stand - to avoid direct sunlight - it’s why the main stand is the west stand too.
     
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    I’m sure that has been said but it was also said that the North Bank could have a second tier and that proved false. To add to that, the bars/toilets are far too cramped for a modern stadium already, and as pointed out some pages back, the North Bank now obscures part of the lower tier, so clearly even Morgan eventually planned to replace it. It was a lovely stand when built but by the time the other stands have been replaced, it will be 30 years old and showing its age by comparison.
     
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  10. WillenhallWolfie1980

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    So on what is being muted here ALL four stands need replacing then ? I honestly cannot see them doing that , But we'll have to see
     
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    I don’t know why anyone would be worried or second guessing what Fosun are going to do.

    Whatever it will be will be terrific. This isn’t some bog standard owner who just wants extra bums on seats with a mediocre design.

    This is Fosun. This is a CHINESE company that see architecture and art as a source of pride.

    They will arguably hire top class architects. Someone likes Fosters + Partners who designed the Bund finance centre for them.

    It will have facilities only top clubs have while retaining the English feel of Molineux. These guys are so in touch with the Wolves fan base it’s unreal.

    We just need to sit back and relax and know that whatever is coming, will be amazing.
     
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    Billy Wright needs ripping down as much as the Steve Bull, its based on the old wrap around effect and we lose seats from it not being tight to the touchline, and space behind as its not straight

    to account for potential loss of space in the NB, BW corner, i imagine they could build it smaller but with a video wall or something in the space where they cant build back
     
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    I assume you don't spend much time in the Steve Bull then?! :eek:
     
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    But that is not the Etihad....
    It has three tiers behind one goal and two behind the other (with the ability to add a third).
     
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    But alot of stadiums built by famous architects over the last 20 years, just don't have a football stadium feel to them. They just look like posh shopping centres and our bowl like and identical inside.
     
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    That would really make a statement...

    Foster + Partners designs golden stadium for Qatar World Cup final
     
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    Agree Stafford, architects don't get what a football ground should be like. They only know football through Sky tv and corporate seats and think thats what it should be like all round the ground. We all know the best ends are the most cramped and dark with a low roof and everyone stood up, these architects would have a breakdown if they went in the South bank.
     
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    Completely agree.

    They don’t do half measures, just check out their hotel - Atlantis Sanya. It cost nearly $2billion.

    When you have Jeff, when asked about Wolves’ importance to the Fosun Group, responding with: “Wolves are now the pride of the Fosun group” that tells me all I need to know. I think it’ll be a full rebuild and it’ll be top quality.

    Here’s where he says it for anyone that hasn’t seen it (6mins):

    Nuno: Special bond within the squad
     
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    touche, not for a few years!

    revised, BW needs ripping down but nowhere near in the speed of the Steve Bull - better? :D
     
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    I probably worded it too literally. Essentially I can’t see them expanding anything, I think it’ll all get flattened. Take as much time as they like for me, buy cheap buy twice.
     
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    All well and good but where does ASDA fit into all this?
     
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    ASDA gets built under the new Bully, so when we're queueing for a beer and wee at HT we can do our big shop as well.
     
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    I'm not saying it has to be ''exactly'' like the Etihad , I'm saying Build the sides with Three tiers on Both and Two big single tiered stands behind the goals
     
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    I've been in both. Billy ain't much better, shocking really given that it was nearly 20 years newer.
     
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    For an out of town stadium perhaps.
    But certainly not for the present Molineux, it would be incongruous with the Wolverhampton City archive building along with the restored Georgian and Victorian gardens.
    Any new build must be sympathetic to that building and not go down the route of all too many modernistic eyesores that crop up everywhere in planning and design.
     
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    Oh God, not a **** modern pastiche please...
     
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    Building in context new development in historic areas is what I am hoping for and the stadium in Qatar is certainly not that.
     
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    That l agree with. I just hate the rash of 'inspired by' design... The new Mini, Beetle, 500, Routemaster bus and London black cab, for example, are all ****...
     
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    Reading into the papers today one thing that stood out was not only the mention of working with the council but also working with the university.
    Now I can only second guess what this means but I have a big feeling that we could potentially be discussing right into the molineux street and it's links with the university....potentially be building two completely new stands behind our current stadium.
    May sound far fetched but talk about fosun and a new arena with other amenities built around makes this idea less far fetched than first seen!
    Also would involve interlinking the sports section to the university maybe as this is mostly based in Walsall at the moment.
    3G pitches maybe?
    Is the art building a bit 1960's? Maybe fosun are thinking of providing an all round support for the council and the city? Demolish and re build?
    What's happening with Asda? I know it's a similar foot print and we wouldn't build any different than what we have now but could we purchase Asda and built a retail park style area full of bars and restaurants? Picture Bentley bridge without the cinema?

    With regards my thought about molineux street and building directly behind the current Steve bull stand we could potentially rotate the pitch 90° and then extend the north bank as a width stand maybe?

    All sounds crazy but as many of you have said....this is fosun and this is not going to be a cheap small build, it's going to be something special!!!
     
  30. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    Think back exactly two years. Could you envisage the Wolves team being laden with some of the best players from Spain, Portugal and Belgium. Could you see a striker on track to score 20 goals for a top flight Wolves team. Could you see Wolves effectively safe from relegation in January?

    Now rethink your expectations. Wolves are a different animal.
     
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    As someone who has a mate who is a stadium architect, I can tell you with complete confidence that this is nonsense.
     
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    Re: the exterior, if it isn’t done a neoclassical gothic style with a giant stained glass window of Dave Edwards overlooking the subway, then they’ll lose my support.
     
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    Bye...
     
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    Can we at least settle on a 60ft solid gold statue of George Elokobi in the middle of the roundabout by Asda?
     
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    Floyd Streete, and we’ve got a deal.
     
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    It's all coming down. The article makes mention of loads of space behind the Norht Bank. They wont replace the North Bank and leave the Billy Wright.
     
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    If its 60ft tall and to scale, it'll be too wide for the roundabout!
     
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    You see where you said ‘alot’ and not ‘all’?

    That’s the key point.

    Some clubs owners aren’t in it for the fans. Do you get that from Fosun or Laurie?

    I certainly don’t. They’ve already said they will make the South Bank a one tier stand. Develop it first for the benefit of the crowd and the fans.

    It’s a dumb statement in reality. There are plenty of great stadiums. There’s a lot more cheap indentikit stadiums such as St Mary’s and Ricoh which haven’t be designed by top architects.
     
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    Something like the Stade Velodrome in Marseille, but maybe with different proportions, i.e. one larger end for the SB. Its a sexy beast though
     
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    Do you think the ‘worlds best stadiums’ were designed by the tea ladies?

    Do you think architects have the overriding say on the design of a building? Do you think all architects hate football and play golf?

    Architects are dictated too by the CLIENT.

    They are for aesthetic and logistical purposes only. The client tells them what they want. Sound and lightning specialists tell them what’s required etc etc.

    Don’t be so small minded.
     
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