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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. WV9_Wolf

    WV9_Wolf Senior Member

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    Definitely think that's the way forward. If by some minor miracle we become a club on the same level as the big European powerhouses, and not just punching above our weight, I think most of us will accept a move given we could never have dreamed that our club would become a true European giant. Until such a time, 50k is plenty, but no less in my opinion.

    This is what some, both our own fans and others, are failing to grasp. "Breaking the top 6" and "creating a top 7" are two different animals. Creating a top 7 could mean we're miles ahead of 8th and a couple of points off 6th, and still finishing 7th but with the gap nearly closed every year. In my opinion, that might not take too long at all. Genuinely and regularly breaking the top 6 may take 5-10 years.

    Sorry, but there's no way they can risk demolishing the Steve Bull lower tier given the state of disrepair it's in. The whole thing will have to be brought down in one go.
     
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  2. NOKASPLACE

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    The more information leaks out, the more I think the delay is actually down to sorting the infrastructure around the increase in numbers. As others have said - we can start building today if we want - however, where will the extra thousands park, eat, drink etc etc

    I think this will be a joint venture with the council freeing up space and amending the infrastructure to suit... hence the delay in start
     
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  3. greco wolf

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    yep 100% agree - its a big issue to sort. Its hard enough parking an trying to find somewhere for a beer as it is without being cramped. Nice problem to have, and hopefully the council are embracing this with Fosun as a way to help rejuvenate the city, as a top 6 club brings money along with the success.
     
  4. Black Country Wanderer

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    Come on JP has always been light years ahead of Spiers,both as a journalist and reporter of all things Wolves
    Tim burned his bridges with Fosun 2 seasons ago,with his blatant bias against them when KJ was sacked,he has followed that up with veiled digs at Mendes, and how the club is losing its soul etc ,every time one of his buddies is allowed to leave
    We all appreciate what players like Edwards,Douglas,DB etc, have done in the past ,but we are now a different animal,and its taken a long time for Tim to come on board with the project,if indeed he has even now
    This is the new Wolves,and i for one love it,ive supported them for 60 years,so i probably have more of the old Wolves blood in me than most,but i'm ready to move on,i don't want to be the "sleeping giant" anymore,i have my memories of the great sides,and now want to see the next great side emerge, i've waited long enough
    If Tim wants to wallow in nostalgia,fine do that son,it may give him some kind of misplaced "man of the people" kudos,but doesn't help him do a good job with the club,he will always be a few steps behind,and scouring the same "sources" we all do for info,always being late to the party as usual
     
  5. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    If we ever needed bigger than 50k (and this wouldn’t be popular) they could always throw a second tier over the south bank instead of moving. Hypothetically would you rather a brand new state of the art stadium or an upper tier to a bohemoth south bank?
     
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    I can't see that working.

    By definition an outsized single tier stand will be significantly further back than a traditional multi-tiered stand. Subequently adding a second tier at the back of a long single tier would create some very weird sightlines I'd imagine.

    I think if we needed more than 50k, the final phase redevelopment of the Billy Wright would be the avenue through which do do that.
     
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  7. Chris H

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    That would be my thinking too.

    If they can get to a capacity they're happy with (early to mid 40's) without touching the Billy Wright, then they can take their time to assess things and if and when they wanted to take the capacity up any further they could do so through a reasonable size 2 tier or huge 3 tier Billy Wright to meet requirements.
     
  8. Sussex Wolf

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    For me too. Don’t think it’s unreasonable to reach 45k+ through redevelopment of the South Bank, Steve Bull, and the corners linking them. Add 8k to the South Bank and 6k to the Steve Bull (both with the corners included), and that’s 45k (assuming the temp stand is taken down). At that stage, around 3-4 years after work starts, the club has a balanced ground in good repair, with a near 50% increase in capacity, and the potential to grow further at a time of their choice.

    A redevelopment of the BW on a similar scale with two more corners will add at least 6k, allowing the ground to exceed 50k, and that’s without third tiers etc. If they designed in the option to add third tiers to the Steve Bull and new BW later, then you’re likely talking high 50k’s, approaching 60k, assuming a third tier adds around 3k per stand.

    Such a plan is similar in scale to the Etihad, albeit likely following a different style.
     
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  9. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I know it's been covered already and we do like going around in circles. But we'd have assume the BW would mirror the Bully, surely?

    Any bigger, the seats are too far away and it really would be a squeeze to build anything bigger than the already proposed new Bully stand on either side.

    Of course this is just my opinion.
     
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    could add a tier on the Steve Bull or North Bank. plenty of options I'd have thought. Its just expensive (very) adding a tier on once its built, as opposed to doing at the construction time. Hopefully whatever they build will factor this in . Its why the old North Bank had to be demolished as couldn't easily be added to (and morgan wanted it nearer the pitch)
     
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    Yes, I assumed that too, but you get 3k per corner, and you have two completely undeveloped corners either side of the BW. So, just match the capacity of the current stand and add 6k.
     
  12. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I really think this rebuild will be the last rebuild of the current site. Whatever is built will be filling the space entirely and will not allow for expansion while offering anywhere near a decent view.

    I only mentioned a tier above the south bank as if it were cantilevered it would at least get people closer than building back (again). It would very much feel like a viewing gallery to survey the existing stadium beneath it though.

    Was just curious to people's preference is all. Extend the already extend SB or move?
     
  13. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I agree. Basically the wing stands would hold around 17k inclusive of corners. Don't think the BW could be expanded further without a third tier which would offer lousy views.
     
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    I'd like just over 50k on current site, and then leave it at that. It would be sufficient and on the big European games when we could have sold 10,000 more than capacity, its no issue as generates more interest if its sold out etc etc

    I'd love a 52k capacity, all tied in nicely with unique features (if they could somehow replicate the old Molineux Street/Steve Bull stand in the 70s with the roof design, be amazing
     
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    Are there any stadium designs we would like to emulate or avoid?

    Personally I would prefer if all the corners weren’t filled in and there were some unique features in the stadium to identify it as Molineux.

    I would avoid designs simmilar to St Marys, the King Power Stadium, Cardiff City Stadium, Liberty Stadium, Ricoh Arena, KC Stadium etc. as they all look very interchangeable.

    I like the John Smiths Stadium, Deepdale (although both too small for us).

    Any ideas?
     
  16. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    17k wing stands with corners, 6k NB, 10k all seater SB gives you 50k. With potentially up to 8k more if utilising safe standing to its maximum. Safe standing could be key in NEVER having to move EVER. it could be introduced all around the lower tier. By my reckoning a safe standing lower bowl could house around 56k alone, with a further 19k in the upper tier lol. That would be enormous but compact!!!
     
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    Old Trafford/ St James's Park
     
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    I don't necessarily think that a complete bowl is a bad idea, but having the same flat-pack design as the likes of Pride Park or the Crisp Bowl would be. A complete bowl would allow us to make the most of the land we have and reduce the stadium's footprint somewhat. We need something that'll turn heads, and I'm sure that the board are working on designing that.

    Maybe this thread could become an ideas thread for a while - Jeff and Laurie are known to visit, and I'm sure that any worthwhile feedback will be welcomed.
     
  19. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I'm not considering the corporate seats though. There would have to be a gap between terracing and corporate. Probably 2 rows all the way around 3 sides. So reduce that by 5k?
     
  20. greco wolf

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    sounds about right - not sure if new South Bank will add another 5k (excluding corners) I reckon will be less, as that'll be massive. Lets hope so, but each wing stand would need to be 3k more than now (plus the 6 k for 2 corners). Presume thats doable, as my worry is Steve Bull holds 8,500 currently and very cramped. A new stand will be much more spread out/leg room, so will effectively need to be loads bigger than it is now. Not sure how much more the new NB holds than Morgan's one - about 1k? and it looks about twice the size
     
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    Or called his customers ****munchers
     
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    I think we might be years away from any sort of rebuild/expansion. I see lots of posts above talking about extra tiers here there and everywhere, but if the nature of Fosuns ambitions ended there, then it would already have begun.

    The key point for me, that I think many are overlooking, is the comment about it being a multi purpose venue and a centre piece for the city. A centre piece is not chucking an extra tier on the back of a stand that was built in 1993.

    We will see what happens, but I think some of you are jumping the gun. Building half a stadium next to the current one could also be construed as a phased development, and that would be more of a reason for collaboration with others than simply extending the current stands. It’s far from black and white what will happen in my eyes and I would be amazed if Fosun just added extra tiers to old structures.
     
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    3/4 bowl then a single tier independent South Bank.
    Similar design to Croke Park, but the separate end (South Bank) being a large, self contained, single tier, safe standing/seated stand
     
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    Edgmond Wolf MolMix Poster of the Season Runner Up 2011-2012

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    Sod off, add a third tier to the North Bank ;)
     
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    Only one stand was proposed to have an extra tier - the South Bank. Rest would be re-built.

    But agree who knows what the masterplan is - if it was as simple as extend South Bank would have started by now. Its a much bigger picture/planning in progress
     
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  27. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    There is room down that end I suppose.
     
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  28. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    That is kind of what I was thinking.
     
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    No thanks, we already have enough plastics in the NB that leave early. Wouldn't want to make room for any more :D
     
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    When the ball hits the Bar,
    And you just reached your car
    That's the North Bank

    When the Ref blows full time
    And your at junction nine
    That's the North Bank

    :D:D
     
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    Now now Edge! :D
     
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    As opposed to the South Bank that arrive 5 minutes late, go down for HT 10 mins early and come back out 10 minutes late. :D
     
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    Have you been watching me :p
     
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    True indeed :D
     
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    Absolutely what we should be avoiding IMO. They have a shocking atmosphere in there, everyone sits down waiting to be entertained. Look at the amount of corporate and how divided it is? That's the megabowl design we don't want at molineux.
    Think more like Dortmunds 4 deep stands with corners.
     
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    Think it was mentioned by the club that they want (as do the fans) a single SB. . Just like the old days
     
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    Nah - he's been listening for you Geoff :p
     
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    They'll knock the North Bank down and rebuild it , Full of flaws and design issues
     
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    Possibly but if designed as a new stand with three tiers as a future option then I see no reason why it wouldn’t be possible. Desirable, that’s another question.

    If money and economics were no consideration I’d replicate much of the new Spurs stadium inside and wrap it in an outside with more character - like the proposed Chelsea stadium that is on hold. Upper tiers can be closed if the demand is not there and barely noticed. The Molineux footprint would be big enough but the infrastructure would melt.
     
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