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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. WV9_Wolf

    WV9_Wolf Senior Member

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    The only problem with safe standing is, as far as I'm aware, it's not intended to increase capacity? Safe standing literally just means the same number of seats but with rails added to accommodate standing, or at least that's how it appears from seeing it at Celtic and Shrewsbury.

    I'm pretty positive that the Morgan plans actually stated a final capacity for a fully redeveloped Molineux, including Billy Wright redevelopment, of 50,000. I struggle to see it, but would have to assume that it was true.
     
  2. greco wolf

    greco wolf Just doesn't shut up

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    Think safe standing is 2:1. So 500 rail seats = 1000 people
     
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    I read some where it was more like 1.3 to 1, so 500 seats = 650 rail positions.
     
  4. greco wolf

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    both wrong

    Its 1.8 to 1

    Current regulations (in what is known as the Green Guide) permit the space required for 40 seated fans in the lower leagues to be used by up to 72 standing fans, i.e. a ratio of 1 to 1.8.

    Some German grounds work on a ratio of 2 standing fans per seating space, thus increasing revenue still further.

    got it from here: Why clubs should consider installing rail seats… No. 3 - Safe Standing Roadshow.co.uk
     
  5. WV9_Wolf

    WV9_Wolf Senior Member

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    Interesting. I hadn't realised that's how it works to be honest, I've never really looked at the concept of safe standing in enough detail. Out of interest, if suddenly all of the safe standers want to sit down, what happens!? Who gets the seat?
     
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    If it gets passed at all then Safe standing in this country will be 1.1.
    Just for concourse, exits etc.
     
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    I’m pretty sure the game itself is designated as either sitting or standing and the seats are actually locked in the upright position on games where safe standing is allowed.
     
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    WV9_Wolf Senior Member

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    Makes sense, thanks for clearing that up!
     
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    Celtic actually lost capacity when they added their rail seats as they had to make the stairs wider. You'll struggle to find a single Celtic fan who'll tell you it was a bad decision though, atmosphere has been much improved.
     
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    I agree with this. I think it'll be introduced at the low end of the range.
     
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    It's been very well received. I live nearby and have tried it out, I'm a big fan of the rail seats. There's some internal annoyance among aCeltic fans about which fans get to use it. But i only ad that for context. The rail seating itself has been a great addition.
     
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    I live near as well and quite often go to Parkhead when Wolves are playing down on the South coast or at a stupid time for TV. Never been in the standing bit obviously but I'm a massive fan of it, makes a huge difference to the atmosphere. Wasn't there talk of them extending it all the way across the lower tier of the Lisbon Lions stand?
     
  13. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Safe standing according to numerous Google searches can accommodate 1.8 people when compared to 1 person per seat which it would become when in seating mode, so would indeed drop to a reduced capacity when necessary.
     
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  14. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    That's why I used a 1:1.5 ratio in my guesstimate. I think we'll be allowed more than 1:1 though, there's already a precedent in the lower leagues/ rugby surely?
     
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  15. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I guess if there are 10,000 rail seats there will be 10,000 STH's, any extra capacity when standing would have to be general sale only (no bad thing).

    borussia mönchengladbach (not Dortmund) have a 25,000 terrace which when converted to seating holds only 9,000! I wonder what they do?
     
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    Yeah you're probably right there mate. Re Monchengladback, I'd be interested to know what they do - the fact it converts from 9,000 seating to 25,000 standing is fascinating! I struggle to work out how the 1.8:1 standing to sitting ratio works in practice space wise, let alone ~ 2.8:1!
     
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    I've heard the same. I think more fans want a crack at it. I think it would do wonders in the lower tier's of both the Jock Stein and the LL. Getting it as close as they can to the away corner would be great for atmosphere. Though they'd have to rethink the placing of the family section....which has never made sense to me.
     
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    Standing area next to the away fans? Would be like the south bank!
     
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    Nothing too major but the development must include contactless card payment in concourse. Does the northbank have it?

    South standing is pointless. Southbank will always stand anyway
     
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    I'm even sadder then,as I used to gew up nearly every day,if it war raining that is.:oops:
     
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  21. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    But we could stand safer and in bigger numbers. That's the point.
     
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    Ya dow gew in there if ya want to sit.Standing means standing the same as leaving the European union means leaving.Oops.:p

    The seats are locked up mate,so ya dow get the chance to sit down.
     
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    1972 i began Just doesn't shut up

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    If it ever happens at wolves they should do the X Factor auditions,anyone who car sing Dow get a chance.Me and edgy will be on the panel.:D
     
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    1972 i began Just doesn't shut up

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    I've already had 3 in my standing spot in the south bank this year.:( There's a couple of Burberry boys in ar aisle who keep shouting there mates over,its a bit of a squeeze though,but they help keep me warm wen we ay scoring goals.:p
     
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  25. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    Think I've solved the Monchengladbach situation. The terrace is exactly that, there's no rail seating. I think they close the 16,000 terrace for UEFA games! 381.jpg
     
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    No there’s not.
     
  27. Bill S Preston Esq.

    Bill S Preston Esq. Just doesn't shut up

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    Somehow my "seat" was sold to someone for the Villa game last year. There were at least two extra people in our row. Was fine really.
     
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    Yeah but ya will have a rail to hold on to wen we score,to stop ya gewin over to the row in front.The chap in front of me is getting ****ed off.:D
     
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    I´m hunting the 92.
    I´m on 57 just now.
    I´d just wish things were stay the same.For ever..;-)
     
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    Seems to happen to me at many away games.
     
  31. WV9_Wolf

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    That ground looks great. I assumed before I wikipedia'd the ground it was built for the 2006 World Cup, but apparently wasn't chosen! I imagine, with rail seating installed, that ground would hold 50,000+ all told, and is probably the size Fosun are looking at. I'd take something like that in an instant, it could easily be adapted to have one single-tiered end.
     
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    Interestingly, having looked at a pic of the exterior, it has 'masts' similar to the North Bank too.

    [​IMG]
     
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    That's nice. Quite bare looking. Functional and inexpensive maybe?
     
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    Having checked, the whole ground cost €85m to build. Impressive value for money, so can understand it not looking particularly spectacular cosmetically. I imagine that doesn't quite sit with Fosun's philosophy to be fair!
     
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    I don't really get this argument at all. We've had some cracking atmospheres with 20k in Molineux and some woeful ones with a full house (cough, cough, Crystal Palace).

    It's not like the wings of the Billy Wright (the last to fill) ever add a single decibel to proceedings.

    Besides, a bigger capacity means Lawrie can and will be more creative with match day pricing for lower category games.

    I'm just glad Fosun don't think as small time as a sizeable proportion of our fanbase.
     
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    Spot on as always. 42,000 would be more than enough medium term and there is always the opportunity to go bigger with the Billy Wright if needed.
     
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    Molineux needs to be 42,786 as a minimum

    One more than villas capacity ;)
     
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    I actually think the key to this is the location and size of the stands, build a huge south bank and we will fill it.
     
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    I've been to Borussia Park 5 or 6 times (lived about 3 miles away for a while), and it doesn't overly impress me for its size. It's ok, and the terrace is definitely proper terracing, but the stadium has no soul at all for me. It's all very efficient and functional, but out of town and lacks any character.

    Kaiserslautern's stadium however, is smaller, but miles better imo. Fairly central (albeit up a hill), 10 mins from town centre. It also has proper terracing at the lower Westkurve, and rail seats in the upper, it is steep enough to warrant this. The roof really helps the atmosphere, even with a 20k crowd I a 49k stadium it is very loud.
     
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