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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Big Nosed Wolf

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    That photo isn't from 1929 I don't think. The Molineux Street stand shown here wasn't built until 1932 from memory. Also the North Bank has the 'new' roof on on it by the looks of it. That was the roof that replaced the old roof more 'cowshed' in appearance and blown down in a gale. The more 'Cowshed' roof is what gave the end that title.

    In the twenties Molineux only had one end covered, the North Bank. Molineux Street was just a standing area although the Waterloo Road stand went up sometime between 1925 and 1930 IIRC.

    Much of Molineux shown here would have been when Buckley was setting up the club to be a real power in the 1930's. I think what this picture might be is a blueprint for redevelopment in the thirties.
     
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  2. Sussex Wolf

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    Wow! The view from the back must have been... limited!
     
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    We have been in the Fulham Neutral Zone a few times over recent years - except this year when they doubled the price - & it's always been great meeting Wolves fans from all over the world like last season we had German Wolves behind and Norwegian Wolves in front, we could have it in the New Steve Bull with direct access from the Worldwide Wolves Lounge for those without Season Tickets.
     
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  4. old gold barmy army

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    I've heard the south bank is going to be so big that the 300 rows at the back will have free binoculars with every season ticket. This is so you can watch when the first 200 rows jump and cheer after we have scored a goal.:D
     
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    Can we have a bigger screen in the other corner in the meantime please.

    It'll be years before that gets redeveloped.
     
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    It's going to be difficult to use the binoculars with the oxygen masks on
     
  7. Sussex Wolf

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    Good god, we’ve waited a decade or more to get the one we’ve got!
     
  8. SanFranWolf

    SanFranWolf Transfer summary thread supremo

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    I really hope it’s not next season and they get going ASAP.

    We find ourselves better placed than anytime in the last 30 years and the demand for seats is so high we have season ticket waiting list!!!

    Fingers crossed they announce the plans soon.
     
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    Could have sworn someone said on this thread a few months ago, that it was inside knowledge that it is happening at the end of next season? I literally don’t have the time or patience to try and dig it out.
     
  10. Rhoswolf

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    Probably the same posts that claimed we were going to spend £200m+ last summer.
     
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  11. Professional

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    You’re probably right.
     
  12. CTA91

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    Need a giant Wolf scarecrow in that South Bank, looks like a field...
     
  13. StefanWolves

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    You are interpreting it & then trying to pass it off as fact. I may be wrong but didn't Moxey / Morgan state that they would consult fans before redeveloping the South Bank? it may have remained single tier anyway.

    I'll give you the fact they would have done the Bully next. But that's it.

    You don't know anything and know the same as the rest of us.
     
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  14. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    It's not pretty though. Modern and state of the art, absolutely.

    The Louisiana Superdome is a far prettier stadium. Not as modern, not as cutting edge but definitely prettier.

    The Atlanta stadium has a very lopsided feel to it with the "window end". American stadium designers seem weirdly fixated with offering views of the skyline from within the stadium. In that respect the stadium is not unique at all.

    Oh and Saints are gonna win the Superbowl in the dirty birds back yard!!!
     
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    I personally think Miami’s is nicer than both of those
     
  16. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I really like the dolphins stadium. It has a very "soccer" feel to it. Far more European in style.

    I was more comparing externals, the Superdome looks great. It's imposing and shiny too, which is nice. Also inside it's a constant 72 degrees when outside during the NFL season it can still hit 90 in late October and it's humid as ****. **** sitting outside in that for four hours!
     
  17. Sussex Wolf

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    Stefan,
    In the original post you took exception to, I did not state I had any inside information. I said “by all accounts”. I explained the logic for my assertion in the response to your post, and stated clearly I have no inside information. I certainly did not try to pass it off as fact. This thread is full of ideas, views, considerations, criticisms, you name it. What’s the big deal with what I said compared with anything else on this thread?
     
  18. Hedge End Wolf

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    The phased development plan suggested that the Steve Bull stand was next:
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    I never liked the fact than in phase 7 they remove a row or two from front of the south bank. Highlighted in phase 7. It makes the pitch a bit further away. No idea why they are doing that. I presume it’s because the front row of the new steve bull is higher up? Anyone know.
     
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  20. Newbridge Wolf

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    The Nazi’s started to build a stadium that big in the 1930’s. Deutsches Stadion in Nuremberg. Would have held 450,000, was never finished though

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    “You want how many half and half scarves by next Tuesday????????”
     
  22. Sussex Wolf

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    If you take Morgan’s plans as posted above, and replicate his new Steve Bull stand where Billy Wright is, then it barely fits in the space available. In fact, it doesn’t quite fit, as the scale image above shows. Obviously they would have tweaked the actual new Billy Wright to fit the site, but it does illustrate the difficulty of a design based on Morgan’s plan of reaching the 50k+ that Fosun seek.

    Using the extra capacity that the new Steve Bull would have added as a guide (4k), it’s hard to see how simply replicating that on the Billy Wright side, would have added more than 6-8k, even allowing for both added corners and the difference in before and after space per seat (the current SB seats are more cramped than the BW, and much more so than the NB). That would have left a completely redeveloped Molineux, based on the Morgan template, at around 43-45k.

    Morgan once said a longer term vision was 50k+, but to achieve that would I think have meant adding a further tier to some or all the stands. Even then, I’m not so sure how practical that would be, since the third tier would need to be even steeper and higher than the North Bank upper to fit on the same footprint, and clearly there is a limit to what is safe and practical.
     
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  23. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I think a new BW stand including two tiered corners with no service tunnel would be just about 16000 replicating the opposite stand. Assuming the BW holds about 9000? That's a 78% increase and well worth it. If it doesn't fit on the existing site, that's another matter but surely moving the pitch closer to the stands and moving the BW much closer to the pitch would help negate this?

    Also the only place the replicated new BW doesn't fit on the existing site is the NW corner - not the internal stands, just the entrance area. This could easily be chisled back I believe. It would have a slightly different look in that corner, slightly more streamlined but you'd essentially be losing turnstile space - not concourse space. If you look how close the SE corner of the stadium is to the site perimeter, it could easily be acheived.

    Even then, I'm coming up short with only 46000 if doubling the size of the South Bank. Safe standing would be necessary to bump us over the 50k barrier. Turning 10000 SB seats into at least 15000 standing. Would do the trick!!
     
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    I can't help but think the reason the new plans have not being revealed as soon as we expected is because more significant changes to Morgan' plans are being considered. There is still time to get the application in for the summer start, but what else could they be waiting for.
     
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    You're mistaken. They did finish it and it was actually the venue for the Chorley replay, when we filled the entire stadium
     
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    This was the inaugural Panini Swass Sticker album I think....
     
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    Similar politics in the crowd for Leeds too...
     
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  29. Sussex Wolf

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    Publically the club have stated they would like to build a stadium of at least 50k. Morgan’s published plans never went above 37k for three completed stands as shown further up the thread. Furthermore, extrapolate his plans to the BW side, and it still appears to come up well short of 50k. They were also based on a 2 tier South Bank, which the club have said is not their intent. Morgan’s plan, as shown above, was based on the Steve Bull as phase 2, while the club have indicated that the South Bank will be their next phase. Finally, there is the purchase of land behind the South Bank, which is another change from Morgan’s time.

    I’m not in the know and like most on here, am just speculating, but even if the club used the Morgan plans as a starting point, just to align with their limited public statements, there would be significant changes to the plans reviewed with the council.
     
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    I’m sure they’ve done the necessary work behind the scenes for the next redevelopment stage but in order to make a public announcement, they’re possibly waiting for another couple of wins which virtually guarantees our safety.
     
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    The original planning permission has long since lapsed so you would think they would apply for both the South Bank extension and replacement Steve Bull at the same time.
    There aren't any residents around there anymore so I don't see who could object to this anyway.
     
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    One thing I’ve learned from this forum is there’s always someone waiting to object to something!
     
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    The fans at the back would need a set of satalite telescopes to see the match lol
     
  35. Very Proud (AKA Still Proud)

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    Back in the summer Laurie said that the would learn from the mistakes of the North Bank and not repeat them. He wouldn’t elaborate and I felt the time was right to press him for more detail.

    I’ve been wondering what mistakes he was referring too. The obvious ones must be

    1. The roof. For both the atmosphere and the main purpose, keeping people dry!!
    2. The concrete bunkers for the disabled. Watching from the South Bank I’ve noticed how they’ve become less and less obvious and the banners and hoardings we’ve put up make them look more integrated.
    3. Access. Surely they won’t recreate the problem on the lower tier that results in so many leaving early.
    4. The Rake. I’m guessing they’ll know it’ll need to be steeper and joining up the other stands will be challenging.

    Also hopeful that they’ll recognise the need to have away fans close to the South Bank and will probably be working on access to the ground which at the moment is well contained.

    Can’t comnent on what’s going on below the stand by any improvements must be an indicator.
     
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  36. Bill S Preston Esq.

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    I dispute this claim.
     
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    How many on here were saddos like me, and used to watch the building of the North Bank almost daily on the camera they had set up? There was the website with all the details of the build, videos, etc. I was quite excited it. What a letdown that was.
     
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    Any future development simply must have a webcam. I loved that webcam.

    If you want to reminisce over the North Bank webcam, it is here in timelapse:

     
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    Yes, you're right, matey. It's a 1930's design and 1932 is the recorded date. However, I didn't know this snippet which makes it all the more reason why we should NEVER, EVER move from the current site.:cool:

    Molineux was the site of the first ever league game played in English history. On 7 September 1889 Wolves beat Notts County 2-0. In 1923, Wolves were able to buy the ground the stadium stood on, and soon after started building a new main stand, the Waterloo Road Stand, which had been designed by Archibald Leitch.

    The grounds were sold to the Northampton Brewery in 1889, who rented its use to Wolverhampton Wanderers, who had previously played at Dudley Road. After renovating the site, the first ever league game was staged on 7 September 1889 in a 2–0 victory over Notts County before a crowd of 4,000.

    Wolves bought the freehold in 1923 for £5,607 and soon set about constructing a major grandstand on the Waterloo Road side (designed by Archibald Leitch). In 1932, the club also built a new stand on the Molineux Street side and followed this with adding a roof to the South Bank two years later. The stadium finally now had four stands, which formed Molineux for the next half century. In 1953, the club became one of the first to install floodlights, at a cost of around £10,000. The first ever floodlit game was held on 30 September 1953, as Wolves won 3–1 against South Africa.

    !n 1958, plans were unveiled to rebuild Molineux into a 70,000 capacity stadium during the early 1960s, but these were rejected by the local council and there were no major changes at the stadium for another 20 years.
     
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    Memories! The day they chopped the roof down! Black seats! The day it snowed! The excitement as the seat design appeared!
     

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