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Lambert Watch

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Newbridge Wolf, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. Jonzy54

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    They will either have to go for the likes of him or an up and coming Manager such as Paul Cook but I don't think they can take the risk .Their options are limited .
     
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    They're skint and everyone in football knows they are a basket case. That job would be a huge risk for any up and coming manager to take IMO, people will have seen what happened to Grayson, who has had a decent enough record elsewhere. They are really going to struggle to attract any quality.
     
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    Apparently they want Paul Heckingbottom the Barnsley Head Coach.
     
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    They could do a lot worse than Shrewsbury's Paul Hurst. Question is it a bad move for him given Shrewsbury's current form in League One.
     
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    Money talks and Sunderland would pay him more
     
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  6. Still Proud

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    Not a fan in the least, and no he doesn't automatically deserve respect other than that you'd give any other human being. May be a nice man in person but that doesn't matter, most average managers could have done the job he did and keep us up, he was no saviour.

    He came in promising the play-offs, we spent the season flirting with relegation. He was full of what he'd learnt in Germany but what we saw on the pitch was dreadful. He constantly messed around with the line up, picking the team from a tombola machine, ignoring one of our better players this season in favour of those who've since left, played some players out of position just to give them a game, and played hoofball up to strikers who were no good in the air. He was tactically inept. The only thing that kept us up was the quality and determination of some players mixed with effort from others.

    I found him arrogant and was calmed in April when it was clear he would be leaving in the summer and that he hadn't managed to repeat the Saunders debacle.
     
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    I heard that. Apparently they have spoken with him. I know a few Barnsley lads though and they don't think it will happen. They really like Heckingbottom, he's Barnsley through and through and they may be on the verge of new owners/investment themselves supposedly.
     
  8. Kingswood Wolf

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    The revisionism on here is amazing! Lambert was a disgrace, bar two cup results and one league run that ultimately kept us up, he was the Scottish Dean Saunders.

    He had over 6 months and nearly got us relegated. He's a broken man after Villa. His best results were exclusively away (Stoke, Liverpool, Fulham) as he only knew how to set up a team to counter attack. And he talked garbage.

    Admittedly it doesn't help that I only saw three games under him: Bristol City away and Rotherham and Blackburn at Molineux. The latter being one of the worst games of football I have ever seen.

    And to think a significant number of people on here in the summer wanted him to stay and were doubting Fosun. Amazing.
     
  9. AmsterdamWolf

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    His messiah complex bugged the crap out of me. We were playing crap football and getting poor results as we lost more and more ground to the play-off places that were his target, but he would continually insist that he was the only man that could do this well and anyone else would surely take us down.
     
  10. QB Wolf

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    Obviously I wouldn’t change anything, you can’t get better than top, but I still think he would have done a decent job this season.

    He was criticised heavily for talking about having a strong British based contingent in the squad, which is exactly what we have now, a healthy balance of overseas talent, playing alongside fairly seasoned championship campaigners.
     
  11. Still Proud

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    But he was tactically inept and rubbish at his job! Yes he can talk, just about, but he can talk I'll give you that.
     
  12. Jamwolf

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    Pluses - giving MGW, Ronan and Bright a chance
    Minus - Edwards
     
  13. QB Wolf

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    I still think he wasn’t given enough time and was never given a chance by many fans, he sorted the mess Zenga left, he had one Jan transfer window and bought good players.
     
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    We could keep this going all day, shall we call it a draw and agree to differ?
     
  15. The White Mouse

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    its often stated that he sorted out the "mess" zenga had left us in, what exactly was this mess and how did he make it better?
     
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    In fairness, he never promised the play offs!
     
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    Just imagine what Saunders could have achieved with a Helder Costa or an Ivan Cavaliero to pick rather than a Kaspers Gorrks? At least Lambert was given the money to buy Marshall and loan Weimann in Jan, Saunders wasn't given a penny. That said god knows who he would have brought in!

    There was some good under Lambert, but my word when we were bad it was beyond belief. That Bristol City game was embarrassing as were most of the performances after securing safety. I've completely erased Blackburn at home from my mind. like a bad dream. He also did have a quite annoying tendency to speak rbbish and was a bit full of himself and his own accomplishments. I think he mentioned something about the European Cup once? For such a managerial genius he didn't really know how to set up a team to play at home.

    I also didn't like him going to the press over the Summer crying about how he might walk because Mendes has too much influence. In fairness as it was he had in effect a 6 month probationary period with us. He just didn't do enough to convince some owners with real ambition and clout. In retrospect they were completely right to get rid, but there were a lot of arguments amongst fans at the time.
     
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    The way he used Saiss said it all!
     
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    My take is that results had begun turning south, he appeared pretty clueless and all was certainly not well behind the scenes. There were some pretty ominous signs, but I don't think it could all be attributed to Zenga tbf.
     
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    I don't think he rated or trusted Saiss, and I had my doubts about whether he fancied Cavaleiro. If he had stayed Dave Edwards would still be here and Romain wouldn't put it that way.
     
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    He wanted Stears and Williamson to stay! Says it all.
     
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    Whenever I think what could have been I just mentally picture a game between two teams. The first is managed by Lambert and features Steele, Doherty, Batth, Hanley, Douglas, Lawrence, Marshall, Forshaw, Edwards, Hugill and Weimann. They are squaring off against a team managed by Nuno containing Ruddy, Doherty, Coady, Boly, Miranda, Douglas Neves, Saiss, Costa, Jota and Bonatini. What do you reckon on the score?
     
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    Why are people saying Lambert dragged us into a relegation battle?

    Zenga was the one that took us into it.
     
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    didnt zenga leave us in 18th, lambert with almost twice as many games managed to drag us to 15th?

    not saying either were any good, but at least it was interesting under zenga
     
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    If that Rotherham lad hadn't missed that sitter then Lambert had us right in it tbf. A draw would have had us in the relegation zone as of 11th March. As it transpired the win was the catalyst for a decent bit of league form which gave us some breathing space.

    http://www.skysports.com/football/wolves-vs-rotherham/358553
     
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    Ultimately he's just a bang average manager. Pure and simple. An average manager who did a average job here. Nowhere near the incompetent levels of Saunders like some are making out. But let's face it he was never the man for Fosun long term. Middle of the table manager at best but nothing against him. Just wasn't good enough for where we wanted to go
     
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    The link didn't work for me but I did get distracted on their forum regarding another Scottish gentleman by the name of David Moyes (or should I say Private 'we'rrrrrr dooooomed' Fraser). The Sunderland fans have a lot to say about Fraser's latest motivational speech, which appears in the Guardian:

    Moyes, who replaced Slaven Bilic on an initial six-month contract, said he is confident of bringing success to West Ham. “I don’t think it’s a bad team, a bad squad. But I can’t be bothered with any drivel. I’m going to be direct with the players. If they don’t like it, then I’m sorry. We’ve got to make sure we get through to them quickly. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, then I’ll see the East End of London for seven months, then I’ll go elsewhere.”

    The poster preceded the piece with: '****ing hell! At least he waited a couple of games for us before crushing us with disappointment' (referring to Moyes dooming the team to relegation after the Boro game in August).

    Thank you, Mendes and Fosun, for bringing us Nuno.
     
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    Maybe the same as when Wolves played teams managed by Holloway or Warnock.
     
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    If Saiss trained like he played its no wonder he didn’t pick him. Saiss has shown an improvement in his attitude as far as I can see.
     
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    Saiss certainly played better than Edwards who was utterly awful yet was always the first name on the tea sheet. It certainly didn’t take Nuno long to decide which to keep and which to sell.
     
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    I was never an Edwards fan although I recognised his strengths, a player with Saiss’s ability and Edwards attitude would be some player though.
     
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    Watching that I was literally laughing out loud at how bad we were. Wasn’t laughing at the time mind. The highlights don’t even show us trying to keep it in the corner from about the 80th minute.
     
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    You mean the Saiss we've seen this season, he's been excellent, wonder why, better players alongside him / better manager who actually has a vision of how he wants his team to play/consistency of team selection?
     
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    Glad he is gone. Night and day to what we have now.
     
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    Certainly an element of all of that and the fact that he seems more bothered than he did, you can blame managers, blame other players, but sometimes an individual has to hold a mirror up and look at themselves. There must have been good reasons Saiss wasn’t picked last year and blaming Lambert seems too simplistic to me.
     
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    I thought he was one of the better performers and blaming a manager who consistently changed the team game to game with no apparent plan or idea of what he wanted is justifiable in my opinion.
     
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    Maybe because Lambert came out and said the new boys have had their chance?
     
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