Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by reanswolf, Feb 10, 2019.
Yup, the nadir was mid-80s
He did overperform, no doubt about it. But it’s the same mick story. Ipswich are getting what we had. A load of limited players who worked hard for the gaffer. Fans get sick of said gaffer. New gaffer comes in, said limited players don’t like new gaffer and can’t adapt.
I’ve pointed out that Mick was a great man manager, but so are the managers of non and lower league sides that play the game of their lives in the FA Cup early rounds. Fair enough he got us doing it for a number of years, albeit barely in year 2 and not at all in year 3 of the prem, but don’t be fooled in thinking he didn’t lay down the groundwork of what came after.
Morgan and Moxey are an easy excuse to use, he still had millions to spend, even if the wage structure should have better, we were something like the sixth highest spending side during his tenure.
The cult of Mick lives on. Just as many Mick McCarthy FC fans as Wolves fans on here at times.
Can't agree there, Mick needed to be upgraded upon after our first season in the Premier League - our football wasn't going anywhere even after all the spending and Mick's ceiling had been hit - an executive team on their game would have pounced and overhauled the entire football staff that off-season. Mick just went on being Mick, he doesn't know any other way.
That's very true in hindsight. However, I was glad that they let him start the second season as fifth from bottom in May was not that bad. Given the difficulties of that second season it could be said that that he did manage to help us (or at least Hunt saved us with that majestic goal which will live in my memory forever) save our skins and so it's after that season he should have been given an honourable handshake...and I did think that at the time.
However, we are talking about the Moxey/Morgan (or oxymoron) relationship here...for those who follow my meaning.
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you classing beating Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Man U as underperforming.
You must be very disillusioned with the current crop.
His argument is so inconsistent Dub that if you take it to its logical or illogical conclusions place Mick in charge of England and given his man management skills, well the sky is the limit.
I too would hate to see Ipswich drop down to Division One.
If they do then the sooner they manage to get back to the Championship the better....
They were bottomof the league when he took over?
Yeah, he bailed them out but all short-term with aging journeymen...
Bailed them out and took them to the playoffs while spending 47p on players while we finished 7th with peak Sako, Afobe and Dicko.
Aww, someone say nasty things about your leader.
The catch is that Mick arguably gets limited players to over-perform but seems congenitally unable to manage better, more talented players.
C'mon he had 5.5 million to spend over 5 seasons... and his best players sold... and you wan't a legacy.
No player "over-performs." That's a crazy notion, WW. However, he usually gets the best out of a pigs ear.
There is NO such thing as "over-performing" in football. Players, coaches and teams do what they do to the best of their ability and motivation as a unit. At the end of the season the table never lies...as they say.
If a player isn't playing at his best then that is a combination of his fault and the trainer's and manager's fault. If a squad is lacking in motivation then that's the level that they're at. If the coach can't motivate the players then that's the level of his management. Put the two together then that's the level where the team is at as a whole.
He's never had talented players to be fair.. Record signings Doyle and Fletcher did pretty good.
Thank you guys for the moral support in the above.
Much as I liked Mick for the level we were at during his time with us, I don't think that he could cope with talented players...and I don't mean that in an unpleasant way. He liked players who were work horses, players who he could mould and those who had talent. Milijas and co, for example, were loose canons to him. That Dutch left back who cited domestic reasons and home-sickness for wanting to leave us so early but he might have had another agenda and I could never understand Mick not picking Castillo. That was one of Mick's shortcomings.
Neither Milijas or Jelle van dam went on to prove they were good enough to play in the Premier League in their careers, or played anywhere equivalent to that level. Fletcher and Doyle did.
Could McCarthy implement a cultured passing style with foreign players? I very much doubt it.
I too wanted Mick replaced after the second season in the PL but over the piece he did a good job here post Hoddle.
Mick based his coaching ethos on hard work and effort and in many ways just like Nuno’s team they were the sum of the parts.
We beat some of the top sides but to consolidate in the league and then push on we needed that bit extra, a bit of culture rather than just hard working players.
Nuno has tinkered this season and will no doubt go again with similar style players but overall he has a certain style.Mick had a certain style too which he has adhered to throughout his managerial career .Football moves on and thankfully we currently have a Manager who recognised that reflects it in how he chooses to play.
I just hope Bolton drop with them
lots of comments on here regarding how theyve treated Mick, but we did the same in a lot of ways.. reaped the same rewards.
Now I know there’s no such thing as overperforming. But tell me, is there such a thing as underperforming? Also, when teams from lower leagues knock out higher clubs what would that be attributed to?
Back to Ipswich, micks as much to blame as the chairman for me. Limited players who don’t answer him back, graft over craft lumps who don’t have skill or technique to fall back on.
The first paragraph: that's football. mate. Over a series of games the lower league teams wouldn't win the majority of matches.
The second paragraph: I certainly see where you're coming from as I had already considered Man Unitired under Mourinho and Man Unityred under OGS. The team wasn't performing to their best with the former but Mourinho was part of their equation. The re-invigorated performances under OGS shows what could have been done from day 1 had all things been equal...however they weren't. Unitired were what they were because of what they were as a unit which meant that as a unit they didn't underperform because Mourinho was an elephant in the room. They achieved what they achieved because of what they were.
Unityred under OGS, much to my great surprise and, I have to say, great disappointment have performed much better because of the team selections and his attitude towards the players. As a unit they've improved considerably and fair play to OGS (unfortunately).
In any other business, say you were running a factory the likes of Mick would make a very good shop floor foreman. Good with getting the best out of the blokes, but you wouldn't trust him to develop the companies research and development. The blokes short on vision due to a limited mind.
As much as I do like Doyler, and I have ever since I saw him playing for Cork, he was a failure for us. Not even 2 good seasons out of six with us, that isn't an exactly a good return on our investment.
Off to get the results. Fingers crossed and all that...and thanks for the positive contributions above and the PMs.
Only just read about this Tony.
I hope and pray that your results turn out to be positive.
Thanks for the supportive comments, guys. The prognosis wasn't good but then it wasn't bad. I reckon I'll choose to have the surgery rather than the radiotherapy. Anyhow, I'll get myself onto the NHS conveyor belt and let them sort me out.
If you have trouble peeing chaps, go and see your doctor and ask for a PSA blood test. Onward and upward.
To get back to football, we need a win tonight and I'll have a couple of pints of Guinness.
I hope the black stuff slips down easy SL.
Reading the match report of Ipswich against Norwich, the match was billed as the "Old Farm Derby". Whilst I'm sure it is an old title, it made me chuckle.
Keep positive pal. I'll have a Guinness too.
@ShropshireLad just seen your posts on your « problem »Hope all goes well with you,my prayers are with you. Keep the faith.
Take care mate... Went A over T outside Wolvo station, bloody uneven pavements... Before l got to a pub!
Hope you manage it to the stadium without any more ado.
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