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Had we won promotion in 1997....

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by WV9_Wolf, Jan 9, 2019.

  1. WV9_Wolf

    WV9_Wolf Senior Member

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    We came very close to promotion in the 1996/97 season, and I have fond memories of that campaign, although losing to Palace in the play offs still kills me every time I think about it.

    How do you think we would have done with the squad we had and the obvious backing Sir Jack would have given to transfers? It was only after that failure that he refused to carry on being "blackmailed" into funding excessive transfers so that was the crunch season really.

    We had Dean Richards, Steve Froggatt, Bully, Stowell, Keith Curle, Jamie Smith, and a kid called Robbie Keane who would make his first team debut in the August. I can only imagine in hindsight the kind of side we could have built around those names. We ended up losing Richards, Froggatt and Keano to Premiership clubs, but that would have been unlikely had we been there ourselves.

    Could we have become an established top flight club like Everton or Spurs?
     
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  2. we8wba

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    Could have done really well, would had needed to invest properly and wisely but the first part of that would have been achieved.

    All ifs and maybes in the end
     
  3. Burton Wolf

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    We would have won The Champions League 5 times on the spin by now.
     
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    The team that wasn't good enough to finish in the top two that year or beat 6th place Palace over two legs wouldn't have been good enough in the Premier League. Obviously if we'd bought better players that year and the next then the last 20 years would have been different but thats the nature of competition. You have to earn success not speculate about what might have been.
     
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    If we'd gone up in 94-95 it could have been even better, **** Bolton and McGinley the ****
     
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    Think we would have won the league within 3 years, Hayward pulled the investment after winning promotion via play offs. That cash spent to supplement the players you mentioned would have pushed us further.
     
  7. Rhoswolf

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    Who knows, a little like if I hadn't decided to go to Leeds away in 1972 and my mate hadn't had a blow out on the M1 on the way home and no ****ing jack meaning I missed a date with the girl of my dreams.:(
     
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  8. WV9_Wolf

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    I think you may be right. Can't even begin to imagine how much he could have ended up spending had we gone up around that time. Golden Udder rather than Golden Tit!
     
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    Could have ended up like Bolton! :eek:

    It's impossible to project what would have happened when the club was to be passed on to the next owner. We might have been Champions League contenders or we might not. We are what we are and so be it.
     
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  10. Chardee MacDennis

    Chardee MacDennis Senior Member

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    Interesting parallels between that team and this year's, in that they put in some blistering performances against the top sides, particularly away from home, but struggled at home, often against 'inferior' opponents.
     
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  11. Derby Wolf

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    Wouldn't trust McGhee to find his **** with both hands.

    Notice on that list of players somebody gave they were all Taylor signings or from the then YTS?

    McGhee would've spunked a fortune on relegating us.

    Also we didn't have Keane in 1996. He didn't arrive (first team) until 98/99.

    We love Sir Jack for pulling us away from the fire along with the Gallagher's but he was running the club at arm's length from the Bahamas with his sons, JR or Moxey running it. Jeff realised inside six months he needed to be here day to day.

    Its hard to criticise Hayward but we were doomed to failure under him. It was boom and always bust.
     
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  12. Chardee MacDennis

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    Robbie Keane 's debut at norwich was the first competitive game after the Palace play off.
     
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    Correct. Scored twice aswell
     
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  14. SingYourHeartsOut

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    Everything that has gone before has lead us to where we are today. Whatever we've been through it has been worth it.
    (Bolton away in the play-off semi was the worst I have ever felt at a football match though.)
     
  15. themanwhobuiltthemoon

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    Sir Jack’s cash certainly would have gone a lot further in the early/mid-90s had we gone up, if you think of how quickly Jack Walker’s investment in Blackburn turned them from a second tier club into top flight champions.
     
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    A profound comment on life in general?;)
     
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    Unpopular opinion but I think McGhee was ahead of his time, bit like Hoddle in 1996. McGhee had us playing 5 at the back with a converted midfielder (Atkins) as a sweeper. Two wing backs bombing forward. We even played 343 sometimes. You’re right about the signings though, Osborn & Roberts aside did he sign anyone good?
     
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    yes but Magoo was manager wasn't he? so would have gone horribly wrong for the same reasons he couldn't get that team up in the first place.
     
  19. Rhoswolf

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    Also had better results away from home, sound familiar?
     
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    We wouldn’t be where we are today tho. More likely to be Portsmouth than man city
     
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    Much better away weren’t we. That season we lost so many at home Port Vale, Reading, Portsmouth (twice) and so on....
     
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    I agree to an extent but to me his legacy will always be Steve Claridge and Robbie Slater
     
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    Still, with Steve Corica we had the Champions League Of Training Sessions sewn up.
     
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    I never thought about our play off escapades in this way before.

    We weren't good enough to win the league, I doubt our recruitment would have been good enough to make us a force in the premier league either
     
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    Sir Jack had the wrong people running the club and therefore I beleive we would have simply wasted his millions and ended back in the Chump.
     
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    Yep that was my first away game as an 11 year old. Great day, if I remember correctly the next one was Grimsby away and we won 4-1 as I remember attending that too. Probably wrong though.
     
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    Not sure about that one, but that Curle o.g. was not long after...
     
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    Bit confused by that! We won 3-1 at Grimsby first game of the season the year before (Bully hattrick in that green away kit). Was your second away game a year before your first? Is your memory as bad as mine - probably not!
     
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    Steve Corica! Cheque please!
     
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    :D:D how **** was he, but scored at St Andrews.:p
     
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    This is the truth
     
  32. Mugwump

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    They werent all Taylor signings in the OP. Bull, Stowell were Turner signings, Curle was Mcghee.
     
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    The Bolton playoff defeat was the one. If we’d gone up then who knows? But I feel our history would be very different. Graham Taylor was a great manager and SJH was still pretty free hand with the cheque book. The difference being between then and ‘97 was a moderate amount of investment would have made a huge difference to establishing ourselves.

    **** Bolton. But I wouldn’t swap anything to change positions with them now, so karma pays off sometimes :D
     
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    The point was, of a McGhee side one of them was remembered. That should ring alarm bells no?
     
  35. Wanderer Til I Die

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    I think we would have stayed up we had some good players in that team, and with bully of course his goals would have kept us up.

    However like most teams (with the exception of Everton and the big 6) we would have been relegated at some stage. As seen with Stoke, Villa, WBA, Fulham, Blackburn, Swansea, it only takes one bad season and you can be sucked into a relegation battle and out of the premier league. Although in Villas case you felt it would happen sooner or later. They were walking a tightrope after O'Neil left.

    When we finally reached the promised land in 2003 it was sort of an anti climax, SJH no longer wanted to invest and we were pretty much resigned to our fate before a ball was even kicked :(. That being said, there were some games which were encouraging, and I enjoyed seeing the likes of Cameron, Rae and Miller play for us in the PL. To get the points tally we did in the end (33) was tremendous considering the lack of investment and the injuries we had that season
     
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    The Taylor side would have gone up easily if Tony Daley hadn’t been injured almost immediately. We had other bad injuries too. That Bolton play off loss was much worse than Palace. We should have been home and dry after battering Bolton in the first leg.

    Mcgee played Claridge in the FA Cup semi, and left Keane on the bench (and Bull). Enough said.
     
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    I'm not really sure tbh, you just said they were all Taylor or YTS signings. The alarm bells for me at the time was the constant failure despite us having some really good players.
     
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    Taylor was unlucky but he backed himself into a corner. 14 operations that season. I remember getting smashed by palace in the cup, Cowans was injured, Bennett didn't play again, we had dross like Blades, Young and Stewart but Sir Jack went and ****ed it. If he's given Taylor the £500k for Walters we'd have gone up.

    Problem was the squad was so top heavy, players were coming back nowhere near where they were before and the money dried up. I remember watching us smash Derby, Daley and his little rat tail looked the business. Then that was about that, McGhee came in, crap like gilkes, Osborne, Corica and Williams came in and we just never looked like catching Barnsley - Hignett and Marcelle took them up
     
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    How could you forget Kubicki, Larsen, Dowe, SanJuan and Niestroj
     
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    And at Bolton!

    First saw Corica play when we he was at Leicester and they beat us 1-0 at Filbert street. He ran the show, the Leicester fans sang his name and I was really pleased when we signed him.

    As it turned out, much like 99% of the midfielders we signed in the 90s, he was absolutely ****.
     
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