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Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by TFWanderers, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. TFWanderers

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    So is he ready?

    Are we ever going to see him?

    This is a lad who excelled in the Champions League last season.
     
  2. Boswell

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    Should start in a midfield three against Cardiff.
     
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  3. JOSWolf

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    Has to start soon or what is the point.
     
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  4. AlexWolvesHD

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    I don’t have a clue how he’s not featured at all yet, not even from the bench in any of the games.

    Did we get him as an unwanted gift off someone and think if we leave him in the packaging we might be able to return or re-gift him to someone else
     
  5. ShropshireLad

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    What worries me is that Nuno says that he won't change his ways. However, I think you make a good point about having a midfield three.
     
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    I’m desperately hoping it’s just a bluff and he’s keeping his cards close to his chest - in order to dupe Warnock. But at the same time stubbornness is one of Nunos assets, be it a virtue or a curse. If results keep going against us, however, he’s going to have to make the change otherwise he’s out..

    Plus if there’s any team you want three in midfield for - it’s Cardiff, and since everyone else can see it it’s now time for Nuno to implement it effectively
     
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    I'd probably bring Dendoncker in for Moutinho at Cardiff.

    Harsh on MGW but don't think Cardiff will let us play at all, particularly early on, so would use him as an impact sub.
     
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    Dendoncker, Neves and Moutinho?

    Not convinced that would work, probably have to swap Neves or Moutinho for MGW
     
  9. WW1963

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    Cardiff are seeing this game as a must win. Wolves don't seem fussed. They are going to turn us over if Nuno persists with giving the midfield away. Wouldn't surprise me if Warnock puts six in there with two of them charged with harrying Neves and Moutino for as long as they are on the pitch.

    A huge test for Nuno above everything else.
     
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    2 options for me, both of which would create a 3 man Neves Moutinho MGW midfield.

    - drop one defender (either Boly or Vinagre) or
    - drop one attacker

    Either way, I reckon we need to test it out. MGW deserves to start but it’s a big ask for him with only one other midfielder.

    If it worked, Neves Moutinho and MGW would be an awesome combination
     
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    If you’re being radical you maybe drop the two inside forwards, one for MGW to join the midfield and the other to give Traore a free role, won’t happen mind
     
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    I don't think he will come in in midfield, everything that's happened so far this season has indicated he will play RCB. He played there in the cup and hasn't been subbed on once when changes have been made in Midfield.

    I think he should come in for Bennett, maybe harsh on Bennett but he's more versatile, we can change tactics in game then as Dendoncker can step in to midfield with the ball when teams are sitting deep which will allow one of the CM's to step forwards.

    Neves is one yellow from a ban, he may well pick a card up against Cardiff if last seasons games are anything to go by so we'll see where Nuno see's Dendoncker playing when someone has to come in for Neves in the next few weeks, especially as if that happens Neves misses Chelsea...
     
  13. steve vena

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    Couldn't Morgan play on the right in place of Costa?
     
  14. Pessimistic Wolf

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    I think it must be time for Dendoncker to get a look in soon. It is abundantly clear that the Neves - Moutinho partnership has technical ability and passing range in abundance, but no physicality or real mobility. The issue with Huddersfield is that our midfield not only got overwhelmed with numbers, but also got outfought and outmaneuvered.

    I don't like the Sunday League archetype of 'an enforcer', but the we are playing with a deep lying playmaker and a central midfielder who sits deep. It is impossible for us to intercept and break up play without either of them absolutely busting a gut and nullifying our ability in possession.
     
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    I don't know where this refusal to change has come from with Nuno. In his previous roles, he would regularly shift formation to counter opposing teams. I cant help feeling that this no-compromise attitude has come as an overreaction to his tenure at Porto.
     
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    Just one other thing to add to your well made points - the deep lying midfield two are causing a huge gap to the front three.

    The only area of the pitch where we have link up play and play triangles is down the flanks...this encourages the two wide players to stay wider as that's where they are supported (by the wingbacks).

    I watched Neves in training during the half term open day. He doesn't train like a deep lying player. He was running beyond some of his markers. He trained like a forward thinking player. He NEVER does that in a game.
    When does Neves ever make a little run beyond his midfield slot to receive a ball? He always makes the angle for the pass by going deep. He's playing where Gazza did when he was old and knackered and about 35 and couldn't do it any more.

    We are getting very little out of our best player this season, because he's playing in an ineffectual area of the field. If you liken him to Pirlo, then how many times did you see Pirlo flogging himself to get back defending? Like Pirlo was for Juve/Italy, Neves is Wolves best attacking option at this level (IMHO) - if he ever gets to play in the right area of the field...like Pirlo did all his career.
     
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    Completely agree. There is no link up in the final third through the middle, which causes Jiminez to drop deep to receive the ball. The outcome of that is that we don't have a 'fox in the box'. I don't necessarily believe that we need a different type of striker; Jimenez can do that kind of role, but our system means that Jimenez has to play as a midfielder and a striker at the same time.

    The deep sitting of our midfield, to me, highlights a lack of faith in our central defence. I mean, teams with great central defenders don't play three at the back. It's a compensation mechanism for a struggling defence. Neves and Moutinho are deep to protect the defence. To be fair, we've just been promoted and haven't upgraded the central defence. I don't object to the formation, but perhaps discouraging the CDs from moving with the ball up the bitch ( a la Boly's runs) and having them remain deep as a line would allow the central midfield the freedom to get forward a little more.
     
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    Absolutely.

    We are getting the max out of Coady and Bennett in our system and we are relatively skinny at the back.
    But it's costing us elsewhere to accommodate them. While Coady is playing almost alongside Rui to receive the ball, while Bennett is being offered the protection of a covering Coady plus Doc , while Boly is being protected by Coady and a Spanish international defender (wasn't so hot yesterday was he when Jonny wasn't there to get through!) - we are all pointing fingers at the front three, the two holding midfielders and sometimes the wing backs.

    Our problem is in defence! Our problem is that we have two players at the back who cannot play in a back four at this level. Our problem is we are struggling to find a back four (assuming Nuno doesn't fancy Dendonk, which is certainly a viable thought). The Saiss experiment pre-season didn't work.

    I would, 100% expect us to recruit two players in January and that's all.

    A Central defender to play alongside Boly in a back four plus a striker (because every squad needs at least two strikers to choose from).

    The rest is all in place.

    And if we play Spurs away, or Liverpool or City, the Coady/Bennett system works as well as anything anyway - because we don't have the ball - it's all on the break in those games.

    Coady was our best player yesterday. We lost 2 nil.
    What would the scoreline have been if Neves was our best player yesterday?
     
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    For once I agree...
     
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    This is bang on. I don't think any combination of our three starting centre backs would work at this level as a two, and I'd like to see this addressed over the next two or three windows as I think we really need that MGW / Maddison type link player to start games.
     
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    A strange signing like Afobe and Traore.
     
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    We've played the same way since nuno arrived. Are people seriously expecting things to change? Really??
     
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    He really needs to be flexible. Its the Premier League every team does it.
     
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    Not really and with that if results don't improve then Nuno will be out. Simple really
     
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    Why not? You think playing the same system forever will work?

    We might need new players, but at some point it will change.
     
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    We've had 2 poor performances this season. We had a few more last. He is not going to change the way we play. What will actually happen is that we'll get better players to fit the system.

    The way we play is defensively minded provided players do their job. The problem at the moment is that the goals from the wings have dried up. We've generated plenty of chances in all the games apart from Watford and Huddersfield. One defeat and the cry is to change the system as it isn't working. Have a look at the table!
     
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    I want Dendoncker to succeed but as it stands we have spent £30M on both him and Traore and neither have managed to make much of an impact so far .
     
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    You're probably right in that this is the way we'll go over the next couple of transfer windows, but if we are to progress, I think eventually we have to be able to play with two centre backs.
     
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    He hasn't had the chance to
     
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    That’s my point.Neither have managed to break into the team.One sits on the bench the other barely makes the 18.
     
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    Dendoncker is a better midfielder than he is defender, according to the reports from Belgium when we signed him.
     
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    I do think that Nuno deserves a chance to get it right but we cannot be complacent. You talk about the table and its true that we are not in a bad position but we have only got one point out of fifteen for the last five matches - that cannot be ignored either.
    Nuno needs to learn how to beat teams that have sussed us out not just play pretty football. Hopefully he will do that and not another Stale one. Not all teams are going to let us play to our strengths and if we dont learn from this we will slip further down the table.
     
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    I would argue Traore has, last minute winner at West Ham to give us 3 points immediately springs to mind
     
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    It is strange how he has been told to play so deep
     
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    Indeed but he hasn’t managed to force his way into the side other than sporadically.
    That said I would play him slightly behind Jimenez on Friday .
     
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    Not sure if this is correct, but it is an interesting possibility. We have 4 players that we know have real attacking flair Costa, Cav, Traore and Jota have disappointed (to put it mildly) this season. So naturally we wonder what's up with them, we don't look elsewhere. And of course, it's an obvious fact that Leo and Raul never score anyway, so no point even wondering why in their cases.

    I'm worried that Dendonker is a classic example of the player who becomes world class simply by never playing. How can we know what is he capable of? I'd be not too bothered if Saiss partnered Neves v Cardiff, at least we know what we get from Saiss. No pace, not the most skilled, but always a fighter, mentally strong etc. Cardiff away is made for him. Played well in the World Cup, never really let us down, I think he deserves at least a look in the Premier league.
     
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    I think it’s really good of people to be saying things like “I think Nuno deserves a chance to put it right”...

    He’s completely transformed us in 18 months, of course he deserves a chance to put it right! Does any right minded fan really think he doesn’t?
     
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    Against average sides, playing in a better side though I thought? He's made his name in an awful league lets be honest. He might be decent but at £12m I'm currently underwhelmed. Happy to be proved wrong.
     
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    No they don't but there are plenty of wrong minded fickle fans out there who will leap on managers and demad they be sacked as soon as three or four results go against them. After all Nuno has achieved in such a small time I am amazed at some of the disloyal stupidity that some fans are spouting.



    I would keep Nuno even if we got relegated.

    That won't happen but yes its a challenging period and he and his team have to rise to that challenge. They will but we may have a tough time up to Christmas if we keep missing so many chances.
     
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    I bet the majority of the people who are calling for Dendoncker to start have never seen him play.
     
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