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Chelsea verdict

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by The Fat Bloke, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. Bondi Wolf

    Bondi Wolf Senior Member

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    All because we didn't play that Sunday league midfielder Ruben Neves.

    Boo! Neves out!
     
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  2. Mark Rankines Lovechild

    Mark Rankines Lovechild Just doesn't shut up

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    Alternatively, It’s just opinions.

    I thought Vinagre was good tonight, yes Saiss fills in when he goes forward but, Vinagrae is doing some of the midfield work for Saiss, who isn’t quite as mobile.

    I thought Moutinho was pretty good today. I liked the fact that he was passing forward, recent weeks, both Neves and Moutinho, in my opinion, have been very cautious/sideways.

    I thought everyone had a decent game though I do wish Costa would actually tackle occasionally.

    Dedonker looked strong, defensively adept and quicker than I gave him credit for. MGW definitely offers a drive and attacking intent that Neves and Moutinho do not. I think we may well see more of a rotation between Neves and Moutinho for the next few games.
     
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  3. Fazwolf

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    Even so 6.5 moutinho and 7 dendoncker for 10 minutes.. come on really
     
  4. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    It’s not a comparison between the two though I suppose. it’s a mark which you feel reflects the individuals performance whilst on the pitch.
    Personally I didnt think Boly was particularly good tonight, others thought he was great.
    Everyone undoubtedly has preferences though which will influence judgement
     
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  5. Incognito

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    Quality summary. Disagree about Moutinho, he was pinging a few tonight. Plus, you can't change a winning side, can you?
     
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  6. Fazwolf

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    Dendoncker touched the ball about 3 times. Moutinho was immense last 30. For me marks reflect people wanting dendoncker to be class.. no dig at you here
     
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    Should we have had a penalty in the 2nd half, it looked a good shout but wasn't reshown?
     
  8. Fazwolf

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    Not for me .. over ran it realised and thought crap I'll dive
     
  9. sillytuna

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    Surprised people think jiminez played well. He gave the ball away repeatedly and struggled positionally unsurprisingly, first half especially. Never lacks effort though.

    MGW has to start in that role as he offers mobility, passing and dribbling. I also think Saiss worked well today, although he is a walking red card!

    I'd rotate neves and moutinho as in most games they really don't work well together, sitting too far from the forwards and not quite offering enough defensively. Neves has better passing range and I'd prefer him Sunday, also because moutinho will probably be knackered after that excellent second half.
     
  10. Mark Rankines Lovechild

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    If that was in the corner of the box on Jiminez, didn’t look like one to me....crap first touch otherwise he would have been in on goal.
     
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    Have to disagree, I thought we were poor and naive. Possibly the worst I've seen us this season, for many reasons - the aimless long balls into the channels, the huge gaps behind the wing backs...yes Chelsea are a good team and we are newly promoted but there were times where we looked shambolic and Chelsea were barely out of second gear.

    Second half the belief came back and much improved, back to the Nuno Wolves we are used to.
     
  13. Fazwolf

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    Worst you seen us.. you not at Huddersfield game
     
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    No I was on holiday
     
  15. Fazwolf

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    Lucky u.. that was bad.. today wasn't
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  16. Oldgold Wolfcub

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    In the succer.:p
     
  17. sillytuna

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    Hah fair excuse! We weren't that bad tho, especially after our recent run. We weren't ourselves either but I thought we were doing what we needed to.

    Huddersfield match was about 100x worse!
     
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    I couldn't believe the difference between the Huddersfield performance and tonight's. MGW is a star in the making as well. Still hoarse from all the shouting.5 points on my Super 6 as I predicted 2-1 score line and it's my birthday tomorrow. How much better can a birthday get?
     
  19. VancouverWolf

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    Where did he claim we played excellent?
    But, imo, we played with purpose in the first 30 minutes.way better than we have plated since Arsenal. ...and we got better. Their was spring in their step which, even down one goal, one could see the difference.
    Yes Chelsea we’re all over us at the beginning but ,thanks to Nuno’s training/scolding this week, we played great and kept our composure.
    Yes, we were incredibly lucky not to be 2 nil down right off the start of the second half but for Boly....but luck is unreliable....MGW hit the woodwork against Arsenal.

    Everybody, please take a moment to consider Bennet’s and Boly’s fantastic clean, goal certainly,denying tackles in the penalty area without drawing a foul. These 2 incidents, were H U G E in our victory today.
    Well done ,gentlemen.
     
  20. Beer Wolf

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    Perhaps I should have phrased it differently. I was thinking more of all the recent posts calling for a plan B. I just want to see these players playing with the passion and commitment they showed tonight. It makes me forget that I'm working 12 hour days on Saturday and Sunday for the fourth weekend running.
     
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    She's OK mate thanks. She had a stroke in January she's recovered great but has her off days and she was just feeling that way last night. She lost her balance going down the steps by the subway and fell. She said she didn't feel great at half time so we left and it's only 20mins walk from the mol. Got home and caught last half hour. What a night. The boys were great.
     
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    The usual Cliches come to mind: A few weeks in football is akin to a roller coaster ride innit

    If I could be bothered I would go check out a chelsea forum and have a laugh reading through their comments on the result. I am sure they thought it was 3 points in the bag before a ball was even kicked.

    haha
     
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    Inspired by @ricki herberts moustache :
    “Our performance has gone downhill for a month or so, he has to adapt or improve his tactics, or somehow find a way to motivate the players, whatever it is a change is quickly needed. I've said this in the past, the factor that led to their downfall was ultimately their own stubbornness to change their approach”

    No, not Wolves fans on Nuno. Chelsea fans on Sarri.
     
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    Football fans are generally drama queens no matter what club they follow :D But thats what makes it such fun
     
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    Hope she is ok...and will continue to improve. May xmas this year and in the future bring good times.
    Merry Xmas......and to all reading this. Great night for all of us.....we took Chelsea down.....love it.
     
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    Of course they showed passion and commitment, but more importantly they played better technically, they didn’t give the ball away at all really, in spells we were chasing shadows, but you’ll get that against a team like Chelsea.

    MGW was very brave in terms of his decision making, happy to play in tight spaces and not just do the simple or easy thing, vital in both goals. He looks like a proper modern footballer, with spark and creativity.

    In terms of Saiss, a lot of his work is unseen and doesn’t show on the TV where the cameras follow the ball, so I’ll trust the judgement of those at the game.
     
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    Sounds like you have an agenda...
     
  28. JadeWolf

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    My morning after verdict!

    Wow what a result. I think the best thing for me right, how often have we gone 1-0 down under Nuno and come back to win, not very often would be my answer. Thing is though yeah to come from behind to win you've gotta show guts and character, but against a team like Chelsea you've gotta show quality too, they aint the kinda team just to gift you a way back in. I think both our goals were really well worked, the second one especially was a great piece of play.

    I don't think we were terrible first half, I think we'd set ourselves up to be difficult to break down, and we were happy to let Chelsea pass the ball about in front of us. We weren't pretty to watch first 30 minutes but apart from the goal obviously it actually worked. Rui made one great save from a free kick and then one comfy save from Hazard, but Chelsea didn't really carve us open at all. I watched them against Fulham on the weekend and they just picked holes in Fulham's defence for fun, we were much more solid and tight even if it did mean sacrificing a bit of flair going forward. I thought we were a bit unlucky to be 0-1 down at half time, because even though we hadn't created anything really we'd kept it quite tight and we'd looked a lot sharper and more aggressive than recent weeks and it looked like we were giving them a game.

    Thought second half was different, Chelsea had a really good first 5-10 minutes didn't they, maybe could/should have had a penalty, but once we found our feet we were brilliant. Gibbs-White brings something very different to our team, a bit of drive in the middle, the way he glides past players is super, the equaliser came from him getting the ball and just being bold, running at players, then slipped it through to Jimenez, boom! Think the keeper should have done better but it makes up for all the keepers who've had their best games of the season against us so far. Then before we settled back it was 2-1, another goal coming from us being brave on the ball, Moutinho winning it back, playing in Doc, great ball across the six yard box, Jota, goooooal! So pleased for Diogo he was one of my favourite players last year and I've been probably as desperate as him to score this season, hopefully that's the start of a great run.

    Tbf to Chelsea they're obviously a quality side but once we were 2-1 up they didn't have too many chances, think a couple of long range shots and then Fabregas at the end blasting it over, but not saying we were comfortable but I think we did a really good job of closing it out. You could see by the end some of the players had nothing left of their energy, which is what I wanna see every game now, 110% commitment, and effort. The result shows what this team is capable of. Bring on Newcastle!

    Ratings:
    :hearteyes:- Coady, Doherty, Moutinho, Gibbs-White, Jota
    :grinning:- Patricio, Bennett, Boly, Saiss, Vinagre, Jimenez
    :blush:- Costa, Dendoncker, Cavaleiro
    :expressionless:-
    :worried:-
    :tired:-
     
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    Strongly disagree thought it was a great last ditch tackle.
     
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    Totally agree. MGW must play just behind the two strikers in an attacking midfield role. The rest of the system can remain intact and the hope is Dendoncker can add an extra bit of class eventually.
     
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    I agree with what you say about Moutinho and Moutinho and Neves. I think I would rest Moutinho for a bit in the way we did with Jota.
     
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    Trendy ay I?
     
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    And Patricio’s Save from Willian
     
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    2 yellow cards for winning the ball. The referees assistant summed it up when he didn't know which way to give a throw and was waiting fornthe ref to make the decision
     
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    Due to the over inflated prices for English players he's probably close already. Man City probably preparing a bid for January.
     
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    Something else that you don't see on the cameras that you do at the game, is how poor the defence communicates at times. Coady had a very poor game for me, he was rolled with ease time and time again by Morata in the first half and as sweeper and captain you expect him to marshall and organise the defence, but twice in the second half Vinagre was caught on his toes making needless clearances because he never got a shout.
    His distribution was uncharacteristically poor as well.

    Boly was equally poor first half as well, constantly lumping the ball long and aimless and conceding possession. His timing was certainly not that of the usual Boly.

    As I've said elsewhere we were disjointed and hopeless in the first half bar MGW and to a degree Saïss. Moutinho fell into the trap of being drawn out to close down Fabregas who played keep ball with Kepa before then slicing through our midfield who were too far forward pressing the ball and not compact enough.

    A special point of note for a special player though, Gibbs-White is the closest thing to Gazza I have seen for a long, long time. The way he instinctively knows when to drop a shoulder, when to let the ball run across him to gain himself a half a yard and move forward and the weight of some of his passing is as good as I have ever seen in 30 years of watching Wolves and indeed English football in general. There is always the danger heaping praise on young players where it isn't warranted because he's English and we desperately want the next Gazza to appear magically, but he's the real deal make no mistake about it. If he carries on this transcendcy we will struggle to keep him.

    Second half we took heart from the goal which in all honesty we didn't deserve having started the second half by almost conceding 3 with some woeful defending, and started to play more our natural game.

    The result masks an underlying problem which is we still don't really have a plan B. We looked as clueless as I have seen us first half and granted it was against a very good team and without Neves but nevertheless sticking Raul on the right and lumping balls down the channel was horrible to watch and IMO the wrong decision when you have a full back who is defensively weak in Alonso.

    I'm a huge Nuno fan and am certainly not for one minute a detractor as some have been on here lately, but I think he got a bit lucky with a few things tonight in terms of team selection and tactics.

    Lots of positives from the game as well though - Bennett was excellent, Saïss was positionally excellent second half and back to his best. Doherty had a superb second half, Jota played with purpose with things not coming off for him first half but much improved in the second and for a player who I thought had recently run out of steam from the intensity of the premier league catching up with him having probably not experienced something like this with all his years in Ligue Un, Moutinho covered a huge amount of ground in the second half after a first half where he looked well off the pace.

    Patricio 7
    Coady 5
    Bennett 7
    Boly 6
    Vinagre 6
    Doherty 7
    Saïss 7
    Moutinho 6.5
    MGW 8
    Jota 7
    Jimenez 6.5

    Subs
    Costa 5.5
    Cavaleiro 6
    Dendoncker 6

    I sat in the NB upper for the first time and I have to say the atmosphere was non existant. Nobody sings up there, nobody stands up. It's like an extension of the BQ
     
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    Glad to hear she is OK mate
    Look after her
     
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    Watched on good stream on phone in Bali...

    Any team that only got one point in 6 games, is going to start cautious, and players will doubt themselves, especially if lost to teams like Bluebirds, Terriers, Seagulls and Hornets, that were deemed by many, inc. me, as an easy 12 points in the bag.


    The game plan was going well until Coady oggie...and then plan is not quickly concede again, like Watford, Hudders.

    At least have been in front, once? at half-time, unlike Arsenal.
     
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    Yeah to highlight yours
     
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    I agree. It never fails to amaze me how one-eyed some people who sit around me in the Steve Bull are. Out of their seats screaming last night when Vinagre was penalised for a slide tackle right in front of us when he clearly took the player's ankle before the ball.
     

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