Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Floyd Man, Mar 22, 2018.
It's his mom
Still doesn't mean anything other than she agrees with the statement IMHO
We need to sign Afobe. He’s a proper striker, had he stayed on we’d have scored more. As it happened Leo decided play in midfield when he came on, prat.
Love how Benik plays on the shoulder. Not only is he more of a threat, he creates space for our midfield in between their lines by stretching them. Must be a nightmare to play against.
His goals to minutes ratio must be fantastic
I'd sign both. We know what Bonatini is capable of. He has scored in every team he's played for, including us and had it not been for those goals earlier in the season, I doubt we'd be celebrating the title today.
I do seem to make the correlation that his dip in form came about when it was confirmed that Jota was getting a permanent deal. Coupled with several interviews I've seen where he states that he wants to stay but is unsettled by the uncertainty surrounding his future, maybe his head just isn't right. Nuno will sort him.
Would sign Afobe.....seems to have now asismilated into the team ethos and what is expected. We will need three strikers in the prem and he offers something different if we need to ever go more direct .......
A mate of mine saw him out in town and asked if he was staying. Said he wanted to but didn’t think the manager rated him.
I don’t either to be honest, I’m thankful for the goals earlier in the season but he’s been living off it for too long. Doesn’t play in the right position, drops way too deep and frustrates the hell out of me.
1 goal every 107 minutes.
Jota: 193 minutes
Bonatini: 211 minutes
Mitrovic: 109 minutes.
I would actually sign both and here’s my logic as to why.
I think we will sign André Silva who will play as a ‘False 9’ and be our first choice. As an alternative, I would want someone who offers a different option with pace and ability to play on the shoulder. Afobe has shown that he can do that and has worked tremendously hard in tough away games at Middlesbrough and Cardiff (the second of which in an unfamiliar wide position). He really couldn’t have done much more in the minutes that he has got and his performance today convinced me that he fits into our system.
I’d also want an alternative to Silva in that ‘False 9’ role and for €4m I don’t think we would get better ‘third choice back-up’ than Leo.
I also think that if we progress as we all hope we’re going to over the next 12-24 months, both Benik and Leo would retain a very good resale value should we need to upgrade on them during that period.
Two things you seem to forget about Afobe.
Firstly, He was recently in the Premier League and didn’t set the world alight. That’s fine if we are signing him as peripheral player.
Secondly, his first touch is poor. Poor touch in the Premier League equals giving the ball away.
Disagree about his first touch. Looked pretty good to me for his goal today. I also don’t think that you come through Arsenal’s academy without having a decent technique.
With regards to his Premier League record, sometimes it just doesn’t work for certain players at certain clubs. Look at Matt Jarvis. Was really good for us in the PL but ended up being a figure of ridicule at West Ham. Zaha struggled at Man Utd (obviously a much higher standard) but looks fantastic back at Palace. Sometimes a player just fits better at a particular club and I think that could be the case with Benik and Wolves.
His goals to minutes ratio at Bournemouth isn’t actually that bad and if players like Vokes, Glenn Murray and Chris Wood can make the step-up second time around, I don’t see why Benik couldn’t...
His first touch for his goal today was absolutely sublime. As was the finish.
You can’t argue with Afobes 6 goals since January given he’s come into a great side and then forced the manager to give him chances and produced. I’d hope he sign a player to be first choice ahead of him, but for the right fee I’d make him permanent again.
I would take both - Afobe is getting sharper by the look of him and I have a feeling that Bonatini getting a contract might just steady those nerves and get his confidence back up. There's no questioning the lad's ability or commitment to the team.
His touch is loose and doesn’t even compare to Costa, Jota, Cav, Bonatini, or MGW. I don’t think you can argue his touch because he gets it right occasionally. He is predominantly a goal scorer who runs the round the corner inside left and right very well. His record isn’t bad in the Premier League and yes there are strikers who are in between Championship and Premier League who have proved people wrong. He would be a decent squad player.
I think we are aiming higher than Bournemouth and he wasn’t quite good enough for them. We need to be ruthless in every way. If we can afford £10m on a squad player then great but if that money would be better spent then I don’t have an issue with ditching Afobe and saying thank you for helping us get over the line.
We would be mad not to sign Afobe. Dont think Bonatini has done enough to warrant a contract in some respects, but i feel with a full pre season he may be a useful squad player if we can pick him up for a good price. I think we will certainly need 3 strikers next season.
Tring, what you say has made me think again and I believe you are right we should sign both.
I have long thought we should sign Benik but now even with his dip in form, Leo has to be worth buying for just 4m euro's.
Would be a useful third choice back up and as you rightly say would retain a very good resale value.
Both played well yesterday and deserve to be around next season. They are different style players, and see Leo more as a Teddy Sheringham 10, than an Afobe more traditional Didier Drogba 9.
Bonatini doesnt change games hr has littleimpact from the bench and just cant score he will be useless next year he was only good when teams didnt know to play us but with his lack of pace and strength he has been mucled and marked out of most games weve played he was so good early this year but he wont do enything in the prem a no from me
Tim saying on twitter Wolves won't be taking up the option with Leo. Decisions to be made by the end of the month with regard to Afobe, Alf and Vinaigre.
Yes to Vinagre. No to Leo and 50:50 on Afobe. What other strikers are out there that are gettable and a definite upgrade?
I'd like us to sign Afobe, but i think the one we really need to sign is Vinagre. Apparently the deal is for £5 million, which is a bargain as I believe he will be an absolute world beater in a few years.
If we are actually going to sign the calibre of players we have been linked to so far this pre-season then we can do a lot better than Afobe.
Of course we can do better than Afobe... but we've got a guy who loves being at the club, the fans love him available for £10m when we have no senior strikers on our books (I'm not counting Mir as a senior striker). Can we do better than him for £10m? Not saying he'll be our main man, but we're not going to spend £150m on three new strikers are we. We need depth.
Also remember, the club made an £8 million profit when we sold him so if we pay £10 million to bring him back he has effectively cost the club £4 million. It's a no brainer. Not first choice but a great back up and, I believe, he will be motivated to become first choice.
Not understanding why anybody doesn’t want to take up option on Afobe, unless it’s Nuno for his own reasons.
Can hunt as many £30m+ first choices as you want, not even going to sign 2 strikers at that money, and if did then 1 of them would spend half the season sulking.
2 relatively first choice strikers an absolute necessity.
Here’s a ready made first sub that’s already settled, knows what the Nuno way is about, and probably desperate to prove he can step up.
£10m for a home grown striker now is nothing, just the way it is now in the inflated market of the bumper TV revenue.
Yes to Afobe & Vinagre, no to Alf & Leo
If we ditch Afobe and sign another secondary/back-up striker, how much would we have to spend to get a noticeable upgrade? £25M, £30M? Yes, we could get better than Afobe but in terms of value for money, I'm not so sure.
We could spend £60-70M getting new first and second choice strikers or save ourselves £10-20M and get a top drawer first choice plus Afobe for £50M.
Shame if true about Leo,he just ran out of gas and his confidence suffered,with a full pre season who knows?
Afobe is touch and go for me,he can score and looked like he was trying to adapt his game more to Nunos style in the last few games,whether he can do so without his own game suffering is open to debate
We will need more up front next season for sure, and Afobe would be a decent squad player,if we can afford that kind of money for a sub so be it
Vinagre should definitely be bought,class player in a year or two,maybe sooner
We need to be rutheless but not silly,new players take time to settle usually,we may need players already comfortable here to steady the ship early doors
Didnt Thelwell hint Afobe will be signing last week? Vinagre is a must. Think we wont sign NDiaye. We are being heavily linked with Pele and I think along with him we will spend serious money on another central midfield player this summer. We will need four top notch players for this role next season along with Gibbs White who can almost play anywhere.
Yeah the Pele deal seems to put the nail in Alf’s coffin.
So, on that note, question:
Signing Pele, who doesn’t look like an upgrade but squad/rotation player for 9m is ok, but 10-12 for Afobe in exactly the same capacity up front isn’t to some?
Bit younger and an extra home grown body for the quota as well.
Bournemouth are desperate to get shot of Afobe. How may players come down from premiership to the championship then back again and are a success? Before someone tosses names at me, not many.
There are a few toss***on here
You might think that I couldn't possibly comment.
I think Afobe will have done himself a big favour by playing well in the wider right position. Next season Nuno might opt for more of a 352 formation.
Everybody seems to consider Afobe a central traditional number 9. However he played best for us when in tandem and just off Dicko. More opportunity to get involved in build up play.
Also didn't he used to call himself (maybe on Twitter or somethings) "ben10afobe" leading to the conclusion he actually sees himself more of a player of that position than an out and out centre forward??
I don’t get why everyone is so concerned about the money, if we have to spend £50m on 2 centre forwards to improve then do it.
None of this he’s only this or that much, simple are they good enough for our 11 if not then don’t sign them.
Also why is everyone saying yes to Vinagre, hasn’t played for about 6 months & we need proven wingbacks not potential.
The money issue comes up for 2 reasons.
First being, there’s a seemingly near limitless war chest available via Fosun...but which is then tempered by FFP as to how much we can actually spend.
That creates decisions. If can only spend 100m absolute max (the only is rather amusing, but still), over £20m of it gone in tying up Boly and Jota....can it really be justified in spending almost all of the remainder on 2 strikers?
There are other areas that need strengthening and filling out too.
The other is about the players.
A £30m+ striker wants to be the main man, first choice. Was likely a huge part of why Neves and Jota were willing to come to the championship.
As great as it would be to have 2 superstar strikers fighting for that place, it’s just not really practical.
Ageuro getting the hump at Citeh because of Jesus being a prime example.
Rarely see 2 strikers of similar ability/stature being happy competing for 1 spot, like goalkeepers.
I think he proved quite a bit to Kyle Walker. Get him in. 5 million is peanuts. Douglas wasn't really droppable and Nuno liked a settled team.
Signing Vinagre is a great move if Douglas stays fit all season, as temporary cover and rotation for cups, giving him time to develop.
If Vinagre suddenly had to be first choice left back for any prolonged period though, that would be a little different.
I don’t think there is a limitless war chest, but of course we are very lucky as we can buy players we wouldn’t normally have a chance of.
Enjoy whilst we can, but never forget how lucky we are!
But Jeff Shi has said we will bring people in but with due diligence ( or words to that effect).
Vinagre has so much potential. We must sign him.
I think the thing with Afobe is that we know what he is capable of (even in the prem to some degree). If we were to spend £20 million on another striker who would come off the bench, that doesn't mean that he would be twice as good as Afobe. In fact, there is a chance he could be a complete dud, and therefore less effective that Afobe would be.
Regarding Vinagre, although he hasn't played much, he has shown huge potential - think about the game vs Man City. At £5 million, he is a bargain and even if we were to sell him on in the future, it today's transfer climate, we'd be getting a lot more than £5 million.
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