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Molineux redevelopment

Discussion in 'Molineux Mix' started by Bill S Preston Esq., Nov 26, 2017.

  1. Scadwolf

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    3rd tier on North Bank? That would mean early leavers would Ned to get moving just after half time
     
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    anyone ever been in the third tier at Barca? now thats steep!
     
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    I guess it's going to be another thing Fosun will impress us over, I think they're probably going to put as much effort into doing it properly and in getting it right as they have the football on the pitch, and we'll probably find they are way ahead of us on all our concerns and have them covered.
     
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    We could end up with a very similar issue when it is time to do the Billy Wright.
     
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    Difference being is an entire street around Molineux is worth 1.18m not one house!
     
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    I did about 15 years ago and my **** is still recovering to be honest.
     
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    I can't claim to be architecturally minded so I'm hoping someone with more knowledge will be able to answer this.

    Would it be feasible to knock part of the Steve Bull down without making it structurally unsafe to use the rest of it? I would imagine if we could knock down J1-J5 of the Steve Bull down and build half of the new stand next season whilst also starting to extend the South Bank at the same time it might not affect capacity as badly?
     
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    Held the Anfield Main Stand up for years. The few remaining owners and tenants were playing hardball wanting silly money.
     
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    It's also ****e!
     
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    I was thinking the same thing, it would certainly help with attendance in our first year back if possible.
     
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    Whilst we are on about Chelsea, they have just been hit with the requirement to bring Stamford Bridge up to date with the number and position of disabled supporter seats. Think they only meet 50% of the required recommendation under Premier League rules and Green Guide/Building Regs, whilst Man United are the worst on 35%. So looks like the disability access groups are starting to take clubs with existing stadiums to court under the Equality Act and as such expect to see a lot more North Bank bunkers (As some call them) being introduced to existing grounds. If you look closely at new grounds they have the same design features as the North bank - they just hide them better with same colour walls as the seats. Southampton and Brighton are an example I've recently noticed but better camouflaged. So don't knock the club about this - they haven't got a choice.
     
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    Correct. It will reduce Old Traffords capacity by about 4,000 i read which is why they are looking to extend the smallest stand past the railway line and push capacity past 90,000
     
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    Think it will be more work and potentially dangerous

    I still dont see why we dont extend the South Bank first - back and BOTH corners (they can leave it half quarter round to BW stand like they did with NB corner) and then we will add 7-10k (approx) depends how far back south bank goes.

    Then following that do Steve Bull ( attendance during Steve Bull build will still be what it is now, i.e. 30k - as we will have the new South Bank additional seats)

    Once Steve Bull is done, we will have between 42-45k for Phases 1,2 and 3.

    BW can be done later if needed, to complete the 'Bowl' and will add I guess an extra 8-10k for corners, and it will be bigger (closer to pitch too, as it will move forward)

    that way we get to the 50-52k - stay where we are and minimal disruption - never less than 30k during the build
     
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    What is the current capacity of the South bank?
     
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    17000 hospitality seats? 17000?

    That’s what’s wrong with football.
     
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    I know I’m probably going to get shut down, and apologies for bringing for info into the stream. I’m not ITK at all, but my Dad came back from work and said he had a client today who is good friends with someone off the board of directors (I know who it is but don’t want to name for obvious reasons). He said that this bloke told him redevelopment won’t start this season but at the end of next season should we remain in the PL. He also mentioned that a final decision had not been made yet but the club are aiming for a capacity of around 50,000. I know it isn’t much and I’ll probs get a lot of hate, but thought I’d share anyway.
     
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    You are correct. I was told f2f last week that development won’t start for a year. The owners can’t understand why we can’t just build a massive stadium now though.The plan is to start with the south bank. Keep it single tier, extend by roughly 4000 and then demolish the steve bull and hopefully get a bottom tier in place so capacity isn’t reduced much beofre completing the north, east, south link. Then, eventually to do the BW and get to say 49-50k
     
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    It's just over 5k
     
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    Another thing I’d like to say, regarding the south bank. Does anyone else think it’s just full of ‘tourists’ (from our own club). People sit there just so they can say they sit in the south bank, but don’t contribute much to the noise?
     
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    I'd say extend the South Bank by 40% and then do the Steve Bull. If done right that'd bring us to at least 40k. The Billy is a lovely, unique stand and so I'd leave it alone. Our ground would be beautiful (not symmetrical, which isn't any sort of problem for anyone normal) if we did that.
     
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    Just seems a bit over cautious not starting until next year. We need a bigger stadium now.
    Do you know if they have made any changes to the design of the Steve Bull Stand?
     
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    Ya what ?
     
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    Not sure but the roof line will stay from the NB
     
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    Have you seen plans or is this just rumour/hearsay?

    Keen to know if you have seen any details or just been told from someone close
     
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    So that would mean the Steve bull stand would be still around for at least 3 more years....? That seems a long time to wait, the stand needs updating now... i would have hoped both stands would be completed within that time.
     
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    I have not seen plans. I just spoke to a senior person before the swansea match. That is the current thinking. It could change but it seemed pretty firm
     
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    I can see the logic in that.
     
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    This is the logical approach many of us suggested recently. While the Steve Bull is desperate, doing the South Bank first, allows a phased redevelopment while maintaining around a 30k capacity throughout. It wouldn’t surprise me if the work doesn’t start this summer, as any change from Morgan’s plan would require work with architects and then running through planning. However, if starting with the South Bank, then it may be possible to start work during next season, so they may not need to wait until summer 2019. Targeting 50k also seems about right, assuming that includes the redevelopment of the BW. They should be able to reach around 45k after expanding the South Bank and Steve Bull, which would be a logical place to pause if necessary.

    The future’s bright, the future’s Old Gold!
     
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    Better tell the season ticket holders soon then lol!
     
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    Not if they start with the South Bank, since it can remain open while building on the expansion continues behind the current stand. Current ST holders in the South Bank would be unaffected, and it will be a couple of years before they would be ready to demolish the Steve Bull, so plenty of warning.
     
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    An 8,000 South Bank would be a sight to behold! :)
     
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    If we're taking the roof off the south bank you might as well make it 9 or 10k to make it worthwhile.
    I hope the stand doesn't become a typical seating stand like everywhere else, atm it's quite unique that everyone stands up every game.
    Would the WV1 kids move further towards the back?
    Saying all that it could be great!
     
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    I have a season ticket in the SB. I would be happy to stay in that stand for another 3 years if it meant that the club were prioritising the football over the ground and that the eventual plans for the ground were logical and well thought out.
     
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    Sorry I don't see that scenario at all. They built the Nb from front to back and they wouldn't have fans gaining access through a building site.
     
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    here is a link to what came up on Google images when searching "china new stadium":

    https://www.google.com/search?q=china+new+stadium&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS585US585&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7xNSG5tPYAhVMw4MKHVFiAUEQ_AUICygC&biw=1380&bih=774#imgrc=_

    They are taking things to another level over there. Of course, there are many, many variables in the equation for Molineux, but just saying these kinds of projects are what Fosun are competing with in their own country.

    If the Premier League is achieved, there will be a lot more people coming to Wolverhampton on a regular basis - eating, drinking, buying, sleeping - Fosun will want to profit from that - and why shouldn't they? So maybe a Molinuex with associated outlets for all of that?

    Also, posters have commented on the "mini league" that is developing within the Premier League - it is happening - and how long before it becomes formalised? This is a stretch, I know, but Fosun will want to be involved in that. Having a kickass stadium would likely prove vital to those ambitions.

    Now I'm going to stick my neck out - given that we are still in the Championship - if a super-rich Chinese company owned some League Championship club with a great history, a big enthusiastic fan base, with potential to expand that in the Premier League, with a uniquely-located stadium right beside the city centre, what I think that company would do is knock the whole stadium down, and build a strongly-branded state-of-the-art stadium/mixed use development on the same site (possibly with adjacent acquisitions).

    Asking for a friend.
     
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    If the stand is moved somewhere in the same postcode as the pitch then it’d be fine I reckon.
     
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    Agree with the last part about knocking the ground down, think it’s quite likely. However I think you’re over estimating the sudden pull that Wolves in the Premier League will have, I can’t see us pulling in 40k+ fans ever, unless they knock ticket prices down to a tenner and put in safe standing. Wolves fans are prone to believing their own hype a little too much.

    Don’t read too much into your Google search, modern Chinese architecture and construction is generally pretty dog****, with a couple of exceptions. Thought it’d never be a Chinese architect anyway, far too much face to be lost if not using a top western practice.
     
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